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Re:macOS unable to open any non-Apple application by darthrupert on Friday November 13, 2020 @12:28AM (#25079216)
I think you should stick to Apple, frankly. Every time Apple comes up with something new (or just a new software release), people come out of their sheds to warn about all the bad things that will happen.

And then almost none of those bad things happen. I've witnessed this dozens of times now, so a safe interpretation would be to assume that this time none of those things happen.

Re:macOS unable to open any non-Apple application by toyg on Friday November 13, 2020 @02:43AM (#25080005)
Except bad things did happen. Like their capricious application of Appstore “guidelines”; the increasing difficulty of running software on Mac where the developer won’t pay Apple a tithe; the drop in Linux support for the platform, as they locked it down more and more at hardware level; the imposition of their authentication and payment portals (and hence 30% taxes all around) on web apps... etc etc etc.

We have been effectively boiled like obedient frogs.

I love macOS but my next laptop won’t be a mac and my next phone won’t be an iPhone. Divesting from the ecosystem will be painful but we’re well past any grace period at this point.

Re:macOS unable to open any non-Apple application by bsaul on Friday November 13, 2020 @01:10PM (#25085418)
"I love macOS but my next laptop won’t be a mac and my next phone won’t be an iPhone. Divesting from the ecosystem will be painful but we’re well past any grace period at this point. "

same here. I hope this will lead to a leap in quality in alternative mobile & desktop OSes, because at the moment the situation looks pretty bad.

Re:macOS unable to open any non-Apple application by sokoloff on Friday November 13, 2020 @04:56AM (#25080766)
I have not experienced any difficulties in installing or running apps from outside the Mac app store (if that’s what you mean by paying Apple a tithe).
Re:macOS unable to open any non-Apple application by toyg on Friday November 13, 2020 @08:28AM (#25081899)
First they restricted execution of unsigned binaries unless you run in a substantially-unprotected mode: https://github.molgen.mpg.de/pages/bs/macOSnotes/mac/mac_pro...

Then they disabled execution of all unsigned binaries. To run on a default Mac, you either pay Apple or compile on the user's own machine which is obviously unsustainable. https://eclecticlight.co/2020/08/22/apple-silicon-macs-will-...

They've also removed any 32bit support, in case you could make do with old programs that don't make Apple some money.

I'm still on Mojave and will not upgrade. Personally, my last MBP was bought in 2016 and I have no intention of getting another one as long as they continue exploiting developers and the public in this way.

Re:macOS unable to open any non-Apple application by saagarjha on Friday November 13, 2020 @01:17PM (#25085514)
> To run on a default Mac, you either pay Apple or compile on the user's own machine

This is not true. Apple silicon runs code with any signature, even an ad-hoc one.

Re:macOS unable to open any non-Apple application by rowanG077 on Saturday November 14, 2020 @05:28PM (#25096263)
What exactly do you mean ad-hoc? Can my friend without an apple account compile an executable with GCC send it to me and I can run it on my new Apple Macbook?
Re:macOS unable to open any non-Apple application by ant6n on Friday November 13, 2020 @01:09AM (#25079436)
Not running 32bit code anymore die definitely happen
Re:macOS unable to open any non-Apple application by pfranz on Friday November 13, 2020 @02:45AM (#25080015)
It was rumored for like a decade. The last 32-bit computers were sold in something like 2007-2008? High Sierra started throwing warnings when you launched 32-bit apps. In 2018, they announced Mojave would be the last version to support them. Mojave just got an update yesterday and will likely get updates for at least another year. So nobody has been forced out yet.

I'm aware end users with discontinued software were forced into some no-win choices. But as an ecosystem, it's one example where this happened and was given a ~15 year possible window and an explicit 4 year window to transition.

Re:macOS unable to open any non-Apple application by coldtea on Friday November 13, 2020 @02:37AM (#25079971)
And it couldn't have happened sooner.

Do you want to be burdened with layers of backwards compatibility and end up like POSIX or Autoconf with provisions for things that once run on some long forgotten UNIX OS version?

Re:macOS unable to open any non-Apple application by epse on Friday November 13, 2020 @03:25AM (#25080262)
32 bit support certainly isn't going to Bury you in backwards compatibility. It just runs
Re:macOS unable to open any non-Apple application by coldtea on Friday November 13, 2020 @06:39AM (#25081261)
Just runs with 2 versions of the same library (32/64), and with older programs that can't take advantage of 64bit ABI / arch changes...