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Re:One in five Covid-19 patients develop mental illness with... by pdkl95 on Tuesday November 10, 2020 @11:05AM (#25047480)
> Something different for every person

I absolutely refuse to give a numerical answer unless they first give me an objective calibration for the numbers. I recently got into a minor argument with a nurse before a minor surgery. "If you won't tell me a number, how will I know if I need to give you a painkiller?" "If I'm in enough pain to need a painkiller, I will tell you."

The number scale attempts to turn a subjective interpretation into an "objective" value. Instead of having to actually listen to people and apply training and experience to judge which treatments are needed, the number system de facto pushes that decision onto the patient so the doctor/nurse/etc only needs to follow a simple set of treatment rules. Similar to black box "AI" used in e.g. criminal sentencing and employee evaluations, the numeric pain scale is yet another example of a fundamentally subjective situation being laundered into a supposedly "objective" value.

Re:One in five Covid-19 patients develop mental illness with... by ceejayoz on Tuesday November 10, 2020 @11:07AM (#25047496)
There can be some utility in comparing over time. If the patient indicates a 9 before intervention, and a 5 afterwards, that means something's helping. The relative weight of a 9 versus someone else's 9 is irrelevant in this usage.
Re:One in five Covid-19 patients develop mental illness with... by LeifCarrotson on Tuesday November 10, 2020 @11:54AM (#25048052)
"The patient indicates" is still based on their completely subjective process of turning a mental state into a number. If they indicate a 9 before intervention, they did so by comparing the feeling of this this trauma to the fuzzy memory of breaking a bone as a child and the more recent but less painful memory of burning their finger in the kitchen a couple weeks ago. Then they sit and suffer from this trauma at approximately that same level of pain for the next 2 weeks, they'll have a new baseline to compare against.

It really sucks that we have no objective measure of pain; a tricorder that you could aim at someone and get a number back would be infinitely better than what we have now.

Re:One in five Covid-19 patients develop mental illness with... by ceejayoz on Tuesday November 10, 2020 @11:57AM (#25048092)
I'm saying the 9, by itself, may not be useful, but the "it was a 9 an hour ago, and now it's a 5" may be.
Re:One in five Covid-19 patients develop mental illness with... by bluGill on Tuesday November 10, 2020 @01:19PM (#25049172)
Not really because people have a terrible memory for pain. It can be worse afterward and still be a 5 (vs 9) just because they have got used to the pain.