News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store by teruakohatu on Sunday November 08, 2020 @03:24PM (#25028662)
> Maybe it's because the very rules you say developers hate are the ones users find appealing.

Users may not know or care, but it is a stretch to say it is appealing to power users that they cannot run ish. It is not appealing to regular users that they can't buy books from within the Kindle app. Etc. Etc.

Re:About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store by Veen on Sunday November 08, 2020 @03:28PM (#25028699)
Power users who want to run a Linux environment on their phone are a minute fraction of the iOS user base. I don’t think Apple is interested in serving every possible user, and they’re probably quite content to let people who need this type of feature find it on a different platform.
Re:About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store by irrational on Sunday November 08, 2020 @03:36PM (#25028762)
I’m an iOS user and a kindle user. Having to go to another place to purchase kindle books doesn’t bother me. But it is mostly about how often I do it. If I was purchasing books every hour it would really bother me. But I only purchase books once a month or less. So it’s not a big deal for me.
Re:About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store by neop1x on Monday November 09, 2020 @05:45AM (#25033409)
I am KOReader user on rooted Kobo and LineageOS Android. I can read many file formats without the fear that books will stop working [1] one day.

[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-48829661

Re:About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store by irrational on Monday November 09, 2020 @11:59AM (#25036823)
I never read a book more than once. Life is short and there are too many books to get through.
Re:About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store by threeseed on Sunday November 08, 2020 @03:27PM (#25028693)
Amazon chose not to allow users to buy books from the app. Apple is not stopping them.
Re:About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store by miles on Sunday November 08, 2020 @03:39PM (#25028782)
> Amazon chose not to allow users to buy books from the app. Apple is not stopping them.

Internal emails show how an Amazon ad prompted Steve Jobs and Phil Schiller to block in-app purchases of Kindle books on iOS https://9to5mac.com/2020/07/30/internal-emails-show-how-an-a...

Why You Can't Buy Books from the Kindle app on iPhone or iPad in 2018 https://www.techspot.com/article/1597-how-to-buy-kindle-book...

Re:About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store by my123 on Sunday November 08, 2020 @03:33PM (#25028734)
In quite some countries, book pricing is fixed by the publisher and cannot vary between websites according to the law. If AAPL takes a 30% margin, the whole model cannot work and you are much better off not selling anything.
Re:About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store by threeseed on Sunday November 08, 2020 @03:44PM (#25028827)
I fail to see what the relationship between the publisher and the seller has to do with Apple.

Because in case you're not aware Amazon isn't some mom and pop store. It has enough clout to negotiate terms with publishers.

Re:About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store by hk__2 on Sunday November 08, 2020 @03:54PM (#25028922)
> Because in case you're not aware Amazon isn't some mom and pop store. It has enough clout to negotiate terms with publishers.

Not everywhere, as GP wrote. In France, the price of a book is fixed: it sells the same price whether you’re Amazon or a small bookstore (you’re allowed to offer a 5% reduction max).

Re:About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store by amenod on Sunday November 08, 2020 @04:27PM (#25029224)
True, but the amount the publisher gets is negotiable.

Not saying that 30% is acceptable, of course - I have no idea what the margins on books are.

Re:About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store by RHSeeger on Sunday November 08, 2020 @03:32PM (#25028720)
That is disingenuous, at best. Apple takes a large percentage on purchases through the phone, so Amazon doesn't allow the purchase through it. It's not an arbitrary decision on their end.
Re:About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store by jeremy_wiebe on Sunday November 08, 2020 @03:40PM (#25028787)
My understanding is that Amazon also takes their chunk of flesh from book publishers/authors. Honest question then: how is that different? You can publish a book but if you aren’t on Amazon you drastically limit your exposure to potential readers.
Re:About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store by lmm on Sunday November 08, 2020 @09:05PM (#25030772)
Amazon doesn't block customers from buying books from elsewhere and reading them on Amazon devices. It's fiddlier than buying through the integrated Amazon store, but it's a fully supported way of using your Amazon device.

I'm not aware of them blocking sellers from listing books on Amazon and also at a lower price elsewhere (though it wouldn't surprise me if they did), and they certainly don't block sellers from telling their customers how much Amazon's cut is.

Re:About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store by II2II on Sunday November 08, 2020 @04:19PM (#25029164)
You do run into a bit of a problem though: Amazon wants their cut, Apple wants their cut, the credit card company wants their cut, the publisher wants their cut, and there are likely others in the chain as well. That's not to say that each party doesn't deserve payment for their services, but there does have to be some limitations on how much they can take.
Re:About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store by philistine on Sunday November 08, 2020 @04:51PM (#25029422)
And that limit should reflect how involved they are in the existence of the product. Is a credit card company intrinsically vital to the existence of a book? No. Then their cap should be reasonably low, like in Europe.

Is Apple intrinsically vital to the existence of an ebook?