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Re:Disclosure: Unlimited Chase Ultimate Rewards Points by ptero on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @09:57AM (#24989582)
Since they effectively banned you from Chase service, what other retaliations were you worried about? Honest question.

You might want to consider fighting it, though. It seems that it was a decision done at a pretty low level, or even automatically. Chase, like most US big banks, are under constant scrutiny and hate bad PR. Write to their top HR, say you are submitting a formal request to <pick a four-letter financial oversight agency> and send a copy to your congressman. What do you have to lose?

Re:Disclosure: Unlimited Chase Ultimate Rewards Points by tyingq on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @11:02AM (#24990197)
I imagine they could "chase" civil or criminal charges. Neither would have merit, but either would be a huge hassle.
Re:Disclosure: Unlimited Chase Ultimate Rewards Points by reaperducer on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @11:16AM (#24990344)
Since they effectively banned you from Chase service, what other retaliations were you worried about?

Since it's a financial institution and the accounts were closed by the bank, I wouldn't be surprised if this dinged his credit report in some serious way.

Re:Disclosure: Unlimited Chase Ultimate Rewards Points by WrtCdEvrydy on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @12:02PM (#24990808)
The ding is the reduction in available credit versus used credit. Edit: and average account age.
Re:Disclosure: Unlimited Chase Ultimate Rewards Points by reaperducer on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @01:28PM (#24991638)
The last time I checked my credit reports, closed accounts had indications of if the accounts were closed by me, or by the issuer, and if the accounts were closed on good terms.

Having Chase cut off five accounts involuntarily probably looks pretty bad to whatever "AI" is used to create the scores.

Re:Disclosure: Unlimited Chase Ultimate Rewards Points by abfan1127 on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @10:45AM (#24990031)
serious question, why would you want to continue banking at a place that does this?
Re:Disclosure: Unlimited Chase Ultimate Rewards Points by awakeasleep on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @10:56AM (#24990146)
In the USA the three main banks are Chase, Wells, and Bank of America.

Wells is notoriously crooked. Bank of America was a primary player in structuring withdrawls to maximize overdraft fines on their customers.

Chase has its own problems, but it would add a lot of inconvenience to your life to eliminate it.

Those three big players have purchased the majority of other banks in the country, leaving a scattered few credit unions and smaller banks around, which will be extra inconvenient when you travel and they absolutely will not offer the same range of credit cards with good rewards programs.

Re:Disclosure: Unlimited Chase Ultimate Rewards Points by toomuchtodo on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @11:37AM (#24990537)
Fidelity [1] and Schwab [2] are both options for checking (deposit accounts), reimbursing all ATM fees domestically (Fidelity) and even internationally (Schwab), with no fees or minimum balances. Amex has rewards on par with Chase [3]. Credit unions [4] are always preferable, of course, if you don't need ATMs frequently or branch services. Ally Bank or Discover Bank are also no fee options for checking and savings accounts if you need Zelle support (which should only be a thing for another 2-3 years as the Fed rolls out instant payment infrastructure). TransferWise is a low cost option if you need international funds transfer services (it plugs into Fidelity and Schwab accounts without issue).

You don't need to touch Wells, Chase, or BoA to have financial infra in the US, although you might be stuck with them if you have a mortgage, auto loan, or other lending they originated or service. My condolences in that case.

[1] https://www.fidelity.com/cash-management/fidelity-cash-manag...

[2] https://www.schwab.com/checking

[3] https://thepointsguy.com/guide/amex-membership-rewards-vs-ch...

[4] https://www.mycreditunion.gov/about-credit-unions/credit-uni...

Re:Disclosure: Unlimited Chase Ultimate Rewards Points by rnicholus on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @03:22PM (#24992691)
Fidelity reimburses international ATM fees as well. I've been a customer for 10+ years and have had my fees reimbursed in multiple Asian countries as well as Europe & Mexico.
Re:Disclosure: Unlimited Chase Ultimate Rewards Points by aidenn0 on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @07:38PM (#24994591)
USAA also offers checking, savings, and reimburses ATM fees up to something like $15 per month.
Re:Disclosure: Unlimited Chase Ultimate Rewards Points by toomuchtodo on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @07:41PM (#24994607)
Restricted to active/retired military and immediate family still? Didn’t list it because of that restriction.
Re:Disclosure: Unlimited Chase Ultimate Rewards Points by aidenn0 on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @07:48PM (#24994638)
Has not been for about a decade. The Auto insurance still is, but not the banking.
Re:Disclosure: Unlimited Chase Ultimate Rewards Points by toomuchtodo on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @08:00PM (#24994699)
Just went through the USAA signup flow. No military service or affiliation with someone with military service indicates ineligibility for both banking and insurance products (and bounces you out).

https://www.usaa.com/inet/wc/why_choose_usaa_main (Control-F “Who can join”)

Re:Disclosure: Unlimited Chase Ultimate Rewards Points by aidenn0 on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @08:28PM (#24994859)
I see; they apparently changed it again. Thanks for the correction.
Re:Disclosure: Unlimited Chase Ultimate Rewards Points by toomuchtodo on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @08:29PM (#24994863)
No worries, wish it wasn’t so! Would love to be a customer of theirs!
Re:Disclosure: Unlimited Chase Ultimate Rewards Points by briankelly on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @02:02PM (#24991946)
Schwab personal checking is Chase on the backend, this is clear from the routing info.
Re:Disclosure: Unlimited Chase Ultimate Rewards Points by toomuchtodo on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @02:14PM (#24992065)
Routing # 121202211 (Schwab checking) resolves to Charles Schwab Bank in Henderson, NV. I was unable to find a connection to Chase plumbing. Have more context to provide? I could be wrong, just looking for an independent citation. If true, you still get Schwab customer service (luckily) instead of Chase.
Re:Disclosure: Unlimited Chase Ultimate Rewards Points by briankelly on Friday November 06, 2020 @01:15AM (#25005380)
Ah my mistake the brokerage account is to Chase, not the checking.
Re:Disclosure: Unlimited Chase Ultimate Rewards Points by seretogis on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @11:33AM (#24990499)
We don't need to rely on profit-driven banks while credit unions exist. I'd really recommend that anyone and everyone switch to their local credit union to deprive these awful banks of their money.

It is slightly less convenient, but much better for the country.

Re:Disclosure: Unlimited Chase Ultimate Rewards Points by x0x0 on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @01:37PM (#24991725)
I did this during the banking crisis, but I can't recommend it. The problem is most credit unions suck.

Examples:

* it's 2020 and my credit union doesn't have autopay for my credit card.

* someone stole my cards and made some unauthorized charges at an unattended parking lot -- they did it almost 40 times in a single day across 3 cards that I rotated between. Chase and Amex took a 5 minute phone call each. My credit union took more than ten hours of work to get my money back, including demanding that I go to a -- remember, unattended -- parking lot that was near a job I hadn't worked at in 6 months to try to get a refund.

The real answer is if you qualify for eg a chase sapphire reserve, you get excellent service and an excellent product.

Re:Disclosure: Unlimited Chase Ultimate Rewards Points by jacurtis on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @02:13PM (#24992046)
You are 100% correct that most credit unions have terrible credit cards. Unfortunately most of them also have terrible online banking. They also have terrible fraud detection.

The balance that I have found works good for me is that I keep liquid assets at credit unions and I will get a debit card from them, but try to avoid using it if at all possible. I also hold credit cards with the major banks (except Wells Fargo, which I refuse to bank with in any capacity). I make all purchases throughout the month on credit cards with the exception of things like mortgage, car payment, etc.. Obviously also paying those cards off each month. There are numerous advantages to using credit cards over debit cards that I won't get into here.

I have a variety of credit cards that use Chase, BofA, AMEX, and Capital One. I also have at least one of each of the three major card brands (Visa, Mastercard, Amex).

Then of course I have a couple investment accounts I use for holding long term assets.

I find that this balance is the best that you can come up with. My liquid assets (money I make from work for example) goes into my primary credit union account. I try to hold mortgage and car loans through the same credit union and those get paid directly from the checking account. I try to avoid any other line items on that account other than payments to pay off credit cards. Then day-to-day expenses (food, amazon, stuff from Target, etc) get paid with credit cards. This way no one has direct access to my liquid assets if a card number gets compromised. I also don't have to deal with the bad online banking experience of the credit unions because I don't really use them for much other than a selected number of major payments each month. Instead my general purchases are on well known credit cards that have really good apps (Like Chase for example) and online experiences and reward programs.

This balance is great. You build a good relationship with a credit union and you keep your primary liquid assets with them instead of the major banks. Credit Unions are particularly good when you want things like Mortgages, construction loans, lines of credit, or car loans. So you can use credit unions for these things and maintain a good relationship with them. But where the credit union is weak, you leverage the strength of the major banks for good credit cards, good rewards programs, good fraud detection, good apps, and so forth. But at the end of the day they don't actually hold any of your money.

Re:Disclosure: Unlimited Chase Ultimate Rewards Points by pjlegato on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @01:57PM (#24991895)
This. I've tried credit unions and big banks. I really wanted to like the credit unions, but their general level of operational competence is a small fraction of the big banks.

Everything takes much longer and major hassles are far more frequent. They have automated little to none of their operations. They are so small that their tiny staff has never had to deal with your particular issue before, and doesn't know what to do about it.

The big banks, on the other hand, deal with other versions of your problem dozens to hundreds of times a day, and have evolved a very high degree of efficiency in handling your case.

Re:Disclosure: Unlimited Chase Ultimate Rewards Points by quintushoratius on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @02:20PM (#24992143)
Not OP, but -

It doesn't have to be an either/or proposition.

* I keep my savings, checking, and loan accounts at a local bank, which also issues a debit card.

* I have credit cards from Discover and BoA, so that I get big-bank services for them.

The bulk of my value as a customer is tied to my mortgage, so my local bank, and possibly Fannie Mae, holds onto those profits.

Re:Disclosure: Unlimited Chase Ultimate Rewards Points by Supermancho on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @06:15PM (#24994060)
I've used credit unions since my first "BofA experience" in my 20s. School's First FCU, BECU, etc. They have all been great and I highly recommend them. I charge something to a card outside of the state but have recently bought a plane ticket to that area, it's fine. If I don't buy a ticket and my card is charged in some out of state area or 2 charges are made within a few hours across 100 miles in distance, instant lock on my card and a phone call.

This stuff is just wonderful. No monthly fees. Can use a debit anywhere Mastercard is valid, even overseas.

> The problem is most credit unions suck.

This has not been my experience. Chase is miserable, but if you need a business account, credit unions can't help you there.

Re:Disclosure: Unlimited Chase Ultimate Rewards Points by ptero on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @07:00PM (#24994361)
I second this. In my limited experience (2 at universities) they are frequently run by very well meaning and very incompetent folks. Like really incompetent, from storing cleartext passwords to messing up simple payments. My 2c.
Re:Disclosure: Unlimited Chase Ultimate Rewards Points by BeetleB on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @08:26PM (#24994841)
> leaving a scattered few credit unions and smaller banks around, which will be extra inconvenient when you travel and they absolutely will not offer the same range of credit cards with good rewards programs.

A lot of credit unions are members of the CO-OP program, which gives you access to more ATMs than any of the big banks (possibly more than all of the combined). At least for travel within the US, being part of that CO-OP credit union is much more convenient than BoA and their ilk.

I just checked: 50 BoA ATMs within 20 miles of me. Over 100 within the CO-OP network. This is in a decent sized metro area.

I just checked my small undergrad town: 3 in the city, and 2 in the adjacent city. BoA has only 1 - and only in the adjacent city.

In my experience, it's always been able to find a Co-Op ATM than a BoA one.

Others complained about poor services, web sites, etc. I suppose that can be true, but it isn't for mine. In fact, I had to ditch one of the national banks because it couldn't provide simple features that my local credit union does - stuff like limiting which of my checking accounts is tied to my ATM card - without limiting it in their online site. So if I tied my ATM card to only one account, then when I logged in to the account's site, it would not let me transfer money between the accounts that are not on the ATM (although it would let me view transactions, etc).

I've also used my debit card in other countries. It worked just like any other card would (I did have to inform them in advance so it wouldn't trip up fraud detection).

> and they absolutely will not offer the same range of credit cards with good rewards programs.

You do not need to have a bank account with Chase and other companies to get good credit cards with rewards programs.

Re:Disclosure: Unlimited Chase Ultimate Rewards Points by graton on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @11:41AM (#24990589)
I have zero accounts at any of the big three. I use a credit union and have never had any issues with travel overseas.

The reward program through the credit union is not that great, but I'm okay with that.

Re:Disclosure: Unlimited Chase Ultimate Rewards Points by gravitas on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @02:54PM (#24992458)
> leaving a scattered few credit unions and smaller banks around

Your comment would imply a huge gap between this top tier of 3 banks and the rest of FDIC banking; there are quite a large number of large banking institutions available which are not as small as you've positioned them. https://www.mx.com/moneysummit/biggest-banks-by-asset-size-u...

(there are similarly very large Credit Unions such as NavyFederal with lots of asset: https://www.mx.com/moneysummit/biggest-us-credit-unions-by-a... )

Re:Disclosure: Unlimited Chase Ultimate Rewards Points by colejohnson66 on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @02:26PM (#24992201)
A bank I’ve never had a problem with is USAA (yes, they do banking as well). So if you qualify to have insurance with them, check out their banking. Never had an issue with them in half a decade. They also reimburse ATM fees up to a certain amount per month ($20?)
Re:Disclosure: Unlimited Chase Ultimate Rewards Points by olyjohn on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @05:16PM (#24993614)
I use a local credit union, and have for 20+ years. What problems do people run into while traveling? I've been to a few other countries and never had problems.
Re:Disclosure: Unlimited Chase Ultimate Rewards Points by SeanLuke on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @07:14PM (#24994453)
> In the USA the three main banks are Chase, Wells, and Bank of America.

FWIW, Citigroup is almost as big as Wells Fargo.

Re:Disclosure: Unlimited Chase Ultimate Rewards Points by astura on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @12:25PM (#24991039)
Chase ultimate rewards is considered a valuable "currency" for travelling.
Re:Disclosure: Unlimited Chase Ultimate Rewards Points by myself248 on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @04:30PM (#24993253)
"Rewards points" and "airline miles" are forms of untaxable virtual currency and I'm astonished the IRS isn't cracking down.
Re:Disclosure: Unlimited Chase Ultimate Rewards Points by astura on Thursday November 05, 2020 @01:03AM (#24996008)
Irs themselves don't put out much information on the topic, without any other guidance from them it's generally understood that financial compensation (points, miles, cash) you get from using your credit cards are not taxable because they are considered rebates on purchases. Its considered like a discount on the purchases you made with the card, kinda like a coupon.
Re:Disclosure: Unlimited Chase Ultimate Rewards Points by PaulDavisThe1st on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @04:54PM (#24993430)
They're a way for the already financially well-off to pay less for everything. Why would the IRS crack down on just one example of this, when there are so many others?

You're probably thinking of employer-paid business travel, passing on "air miles" to an employer. It's 2020, my friend.

Re:Disclosure: Unlimited Chase Ultimate Rewards Points by popctrl1 on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @10:53AM (#24990098)
Right? Sounds like they did him a favor. I had to jump through all kinds of loops to close my Chase account