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Re:DahliaOS operating system, combining the best of GNU/Linu... by FpUser on Tuesday November 03, 2020 @07:12AM (#24978907)
Any other "real world" software can be ugly and can be beautifully written in any language, including C (except ones where being cryptic is by design).

Basic C can be picked up in very short time. there is nothing to be frightened about. When I first laid my hands on C I wrote working software (keyboard driver for DOS) in a first day as a learning exercise. Not sure what other than incompetence as a programmers is causing your expensive PhDs "fright of their lifetime".

Re:DahliaOS operating system, combining the best of GNU/Linu... by baybal2 on Tuesday November 03, 2020 @07:40AM (#24979074)
> Not sure what other than incompetence as a programmers is causing your expensive PhDs "fright of their lifetime".

Memory management, handwritten loops, pointers everywhere, absence of ready made data structures, error handling (or its absence,) epopeia with C strings, sanitizing inputs, and nausea from the slightest smell of SIMD, or basic binary hackery to begin with.

Re:DahliaOS operating system, combining the best of GNU/Linu... by FpUser on Tuesday November 03, 2020 @09:38AM (#24979978)
Those are needed for the tasks C was made to handle: complete control over everything being a primary one. If you do not need those tasks you do not need C. And if you do then get used to it.
Re:DahliaOS operating system, combining the best of GNU/Linu... by zepto on Tuesday November 03, 2020 @12:56PM (#24982073)
Odd how well rust seems to manage to avoid them.

C was amazing when it was introduced, but is as archaic as COBOL today. We are stuck with it because of legacy.

Re:DahliaOS operating system, combining the best of GNU/Linu... by pjmlp on Tuesday November 03, 2020 @02:44PM (#24983214)
Amazing only to those that never looked outside Bell Labs.

Amazing was what Burroughs was doing in 1961, 10 years before C came to be, IBM RISC research in PL/S and PL.8, VAX/VMS stuff in BLISS, Solo OS in Concurrent Pascal, Xerox XDE in Mesa, ....

Those were amazing in the 60's and mid-70's.

Re:DahliaOS operating system, combining the best of GNU/Linu... by FpUser on Tuesday November 03, 2020 @02:22PM (#24982977)
>"C was amazing when it was introduced"

It was not amazing. It was decent particular tool for particular job. That was all about it. Same thing about Rust. There are no silver bullets laying around.

Re:DahliaOS operating system, combining the best of GNU/Linu... by zepto on Tuesday November 03, 2020 @02:42PM (#24983190)
Whether you want to say it was amazing or not, it’s a legacy tool now.
Re:DahliaOS operating system, combining the best of GNU/Linu... by PaulDavisThe1st on Tuesday November 03, 2020 @03:53PM (#24983864)
What do the cool kids use to write realtime or realtime-ish software with these days? What gets used for firmware? What gets used to write kernels? What gets used when you have to interact with hardware that uses memory mapped registers?

It might be C++ instead of C for some of the above, but that doesn't make C "a legacy tool".

Re:DahliaOS operating system, combining the best of GNU/Linu... by zepto on Tuesday November 03, 2020 @04:02PM (#24983933)
I’m not saying it isn’t used.

I’m saying it’s a legacy tool from the early 70’s that is absolutely terrible compared to what we could have.

Cool kids use it because there is no alternative.

Re:DahliaOS operating system, combining the best of GNU/Linu... by FpUser on Tuesday November 03, 2020 @05:41PM (#24984877)
It is not
Re:DahliaOS operating system, combining the best of GNU/Linu... by zepto on Tuesday November 03, 2020 @06:53PM (#24985379)
Two words: Buffer overrun