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Re:My Resignation from the Intercept by Bhilai on Thursday October 29, 2020 @08:46PM (#24937917)
WSJ has pretty biased opinion section though where they have almost no standards.
Re:My Resignation from the Intercept by ekianjo on Friday October 30, 2020 @12:42AM (#24939247)
That's better than other newspapers whose whole news section is just an opinion section by all metrics.
Re:My Resignation from the Intercept by wrsh07 on Thursday October 29, 2020 @09:04PM (#24938036)
I agree (as someone to left of the wsj median), but it's worth knowing that the editorial desk is an entirely different team from the opinion desk (with different standards etc)

Is this good? I don't think so, but it's worth being aware of, like to understand "why is that brand diluting itself with an opinion desk?" (I don't have a satisfying answer though)

https://www.quora.com/Is-there-anything-structurally-differe...

Re:My Resignation from the Intercept by phs318u on Thursday October 29, 2020 @09:05PM (#24938042)
Which is typical of the approach Murdoch takes with his "high brow" media properties. Quality news, batshit crazy opinion.
Re:My Resignation from the Intercept by WillPostForFood on Thursday October 29, 2020 @11:26PM (#24938832)
pretty biased opinion section

Like, that's what an editorial page is? What you are really saying is, they don't have the same bias as you. As for standards, that's really unfair. They have high standards and are much more apt to invite opposing opinions than the NYT, or WaPo. They refused to endorse Trump in 2016. Good people can disagree with you for real reasons, not because they have lower standards.

Re:My Resignation from the Intercept by fulafel on Friday October 30, 2020 @12:12AM (#24939081)
There's bias and then there's intentional misleading. Providing a platform for the Koch etc funded think-tanks doesn't fit into "just bias". Eg their attempts to undermine climate science.
Re:My Resignation from the Intercept by WillPostForFood on Friday October 30, 2020 @12:24AM (#24939149)
Again, you’re just confusing disagreement for bias. As if The NY Times or WaPo don’t provide a platforms for left wing think tanks? Are you worried about the bias of The NY Times Editorial page when they undermine the science of gender or IQ? The WSJ editorial page should be the most important thing you read every day so you can actually understand the reasoning (yes reason) of people with different positions than you.
Re:My Resignation from the Intercept by fulafel on Friday October 30, 2020 @12:42AM (#24939248)
No, there's not a "both sides do it" situation in this production of intentionally misleading content in the most prominent newspapers.
Re:My Resignation from the Intercept by baggy_trough on Friday October 30, 2020 @01:28AM (#24939447)
If you believe so, then you should try to break out of your bubble a little more.
Re:My Resignation from the Intercept by fulafel on Friday October 30, 2020 @01:47AM (#24939535)
see the recent insurrection at WSJ reported eg as " 280+ Wall Street Journal Journalists Sign Letter Blasting Opinion Section for ‘Lack of Fact-Checking’ and ‘Disregard for Evidence’" (https://www.thewrap.com/280-wall-street-journal-journalists-...)
Re:My Resignation from the Intercept by baggy_trough on Friday October 30, 2020 @12:17PM (#24943787)
Your comment is fully compatible with my comment above.
Re:My Resignation from the Intercept by rswail on Friday October 30, 2020 @07:47AM (#24941228)
The first problem is agreement on facts.

For example, the following are questioned and dismissed by large numbers of opinion pages in the WSJ and other Murdoch papers and media outlets:

* Is COVID a pandemic?

* Is climate change happening at a rate that is unprecedented in archeological and geological time?

* Is that climate change due to human activities?

Let alone ridiculous assertions like claiming that the Democratic party in the US espouses "socialist" policies or that the GOP party has "fiscal conservatism" as an underlying principle.

Re:My Resignation from the Intercept by rufus_foreman on Friday October 30, 2020 @08:30PM (#24948080)
Do you think climate change is happening at a greater rate now than it did at the K-T boundary?
Re:My Resignation from the Intercept by chrisco255 on Friday October 30, 2020 @12:34AM (#24939197)
Which billionaires should I be afraid of the Koch Bros or Bezos and Soros? I'm losing track. Tell me who I should hate.
Re:My Resignation from the Intercept by throwaway0a5e on Friday October 30, 2020 @07:55AM (#24941275)
Might as well add the Masshole, 'strayan and Cheeto in Cheif to that list.

I can't think of a single politically involved billionaire who doesn't have at least a couple very onerous "keep the unwashed masses under control" type policies they are trying to advance.

Edit:typo

Re:My Resignation from the Intercept by ATsch on Friday October 30, 2020 @05:35AM (#24940561)
Every single one of them. But if we are to make a ranking, I think spreading climate denial to protect your oil empire does do a lot make you uniquely loathe worthy.
Re:My Resignation from the Intercept by roenxi on Friday October 30, 2020 @05:21AM (#24940502)
Hate I'm not sure about, but you should be nervous and distrustful of anyone to whom buying a PR firm is relatively cheap (as in, 2-3 days income cheap).
Re:My Resignation from the Intercept by kortilla on Friday October 30, 2020 @04:09AM (#24940126)
Depends on if you like the letter R or the letter D.
Re:My Resignation from the Intercept by panarky on Friday October 30, 2020 @01:21AM (#24939414)
The great thing about biased opinion in a financial newspaper is that if you trade based on that opinion, chances are you'll lose money.

From 2008 through 2016, WSJ opinion hammered on the supposed fiscal recklessness of the US federal government, warned that inflation and interest rates would skyrocket, and fretted about bond vigilantes.

If you traded on this opinion and shorted long-term bonds, you would have lost a lot of money. Naturally, their promised inflation, interest rates and bond vigilantes never materialized.

Curiously, they've been mostly silent about fiscal recklessness since 2016, despite $3 trillion deficits.

Re:My Resignation from the Intercept by raxxorrax on Friday October 30, 2020 @05:03AM (#24940417)
It makes complete sense to me to not be honest with your opinion on economic predictions. It would be insider trading light. And if you could broadcast misinformation to a broader public of traders...
Re:My Resignation from the Intercept by vkou on Friday October 30, 2020 @04:15AM (#24940175)
Fortunately, it's likely that they'll again have a chance to start harping on fiscal recklessness, starting on January 21st, 2021.
Re:My Resignation from the Intercept by thu2111 on Friday October 30, 2020 @09:18AM (#24941904)
In fairness, all those things are the expected outcomes of hugely profligate spending and have been seen in other economies that adopted the same policies. It's surely a bit of an open question why the USA, and to some extent other western countries, have been able to sustain such huge deficits for so long apparently in defiance of financial gravity. I think you're implying the WSJ's interest in the topic was entirely political in nature, but it's also possible they just noticed that their predictions kept not coming true and dropped it for that reason. After all, Trump promised big spending with tax decreases, with correspondingly huge deficits, and there doesn't seem to have been any negative effect of that (yet).
Re:My Resignation from the Intercept by rswail on Friday October 30, 2020 @07:41AM (#24941193)
Yes, in the same edition of the newspaper, in the news section, the Hunter Biden "story" was evaluated and found without merit.

Meanwhile, in the opinion pages, Strassell promoted it with abandon.

Re:My Resignation from the Intercept by Grakel on Friday October 30, 2020 @10:26AM (#24942529)
The story is still developing and had several major points that are clearly worth further investigation. Please don't dismiss this issue as without merit, this will be investigated long after the election no matter who wins.
Re:My Resignation from the Intercept by evgen on Friday October 30, 2020 @11:12AM (#24943050)
The only ongoing developments in this story are embarrassing revelations that show what an amateur hour version of Russian disinformation this is and the sort of idiots who are prepared to believe it (and the useful idiots like Greenwald who get paid to promote it.) Not only do we have the Tucker Carlson "USPS ate my homework" saga, we have the verification source that turns out to be completely made up.

Totally. Without. Merit.

Re:My Resignation from the Intercept by Grakel on Saturday October 31, 2020 @12:02AM (#24949036)
Re:My Resignation from the Intercept by Grakel on Friday October 30, 2020 @12:27PM (#24943897)
Glenn Greenwald is probably the last neutral journalist. Respected worldwide for publishing the Snowden story, which the conservative establishment was totally against, he is completely independent of partisan politics, and is after the real story.
Re:My Resignation from the Intercept by evgen on Friday October 30, 2020 @01:43PM (#24944851)
Glenn Greenwald is a hack. He stumbled into his one big scoop (Snowden) and since then has not really distinguished himself or shown that one case to be anything more than a lucky break. He is not independent of partisan politics, he is simply partisan on an anti-establishment axis.