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Re:Can too many brainy people be a dangerous thing? by TheOtherHobbes on Thursday October 29, 2020 @12:22PM (#24932164)
Indeed.

Why is the US producing 25,000 more lawyers than it needs?

Why is this happening in a supposedly rational maximally efficient - or close offer - market economy?

The simple answer is because someone else profits hugely from the money they pay for training. Which in turn is a symptom of an extractive economy, not a productive economy.

A productive economy would do a much better job of allocating talent to social requirements. But an extractive economy is optimised for short-term gain of a small overclass - not the medium/long-term opportunity-growth of a strategically generative economy.

Re:Can too many brainy people be a dangerous thing? by mariodiana on Thursday October 29, 2020 @02:45PM (#24933989)
What you're describing is a bubble, or put more technically: gross malinvestment. It's happening for the same reason any bubble happens, artificially cheap credit financing a speculative boom.

Through government financed student loans, we make money available for any sort of educational pursuit; and unlike a loan for, say, opening a new restaurant, no business plan or market research is needed to convince a banker that the venture is a sound one.

So, the reason this is happening in a "supposedly rational, maximally efficient — or close offer — market economy" is contained in the first word of the description: supposedly.

In truth, government loans distort and destroy a market economy. Cheap credit undermines rational planning.

Re:Can too many brainy people be a dangerous thing? by bserge on Thursday October 29, 2020 @12:27PM (#24932231)
I mean, the US isn't "producing" those lawyers. People choose to become lawyers because they think it's a good idea.

And generally, the choice of education seems to lag behind what's actually in demand, even worldwide.

Re:Can too many brainy people be a dangerous thing? by lotsofpulp on Thursday October 29, 2020 @01:22PM (#24932820)
By giving the schools a blank check (via giving students a blank check as long as it’s spent on schools), the US government is effectively producing the lawyers.

If there was no free money sloshing around, people would have to do a proper cash flow analysis and look at supply and demand before being able to invest their time in degrees that don’t have ROI.

Same thing happened with pharmacy school, and now there’s tons of pharmacists making very little money for exposing themselves to lots of liability in fast food working conditions.

Re:Can too many brainy people be a dangerous thing? by jschwartzi on Thursday October 29, 2020 @02:13PM (#24933430)
The problem is that it's also not free money. The students who get their degree but can't use it have to pay the money back just the same as students who got the degree and get the high-paying entry level job.

So getting a degree is a gamble, because you either come out ahead or you get hobbled by it for the rest of your life. Whereas if you did indeed get free money to get a degree it would eliminate the hobble and produce a class of well-educated people who could afford to work for PD wages.

Re:Can too many brainy people be a dangerous thing? by imtringued on Thursday October 29, 2020 @03:51PM (#24934873)
>So getting a degree is a gamble, because you either come out ahead or you get hobbled by it for the rest of your life.

It's a gamble that the government offers to you even when it knows you can't meaningfully pay the loan back.

Re:Can too many brainy people be a dangerous thing? by lotsofpulp on Thursday October 29, 2020 @02:25PM (#24933654)
It’s free money for the schools.
Re:Can too many brainy people be a dangerous thing? by wobbly_bush on Thursday October 29, 2020 @01:44PM (#24933055)
> US isn't "producing" those lawyers. People choose to become lawyers

Isn't there any regulatory body which controls the number of law degrees awarded annually, like there is for doctors?

Re:Can too many brainy people be a dangerous thing? by undersuit on Thursday October 29, 2020 @01:50PM (#24933113)
Law Degrees in the US are not limited by some quota beside the size of the classes and the number of schools accredited. The real barrier is the Bar Exam, the ultimate decider if you are allowed to practice law, every state has there own admission process, there is some reciprocity and I think the Federal level has it's own separate Bar standards.
Re:Can too many brainy people be a dangerous thing? by TuringNYC on Thursday October 29, 2020 @02:33PM (#24933791)
Not in the same way. IANAL and IANAD but I think:

IN LAW {bar exams + prestigious law firms} ~ IN MEDICINE {board exams + specialty board residency placements}

Re:Can too many brainy people be a dangerous thing? by undersuit on Thursday October 29, 2020 @08:27PM (#24937787)
But, there is no need to work for a law firm prestigious or otherwise to practice law, you just pass the Bar.
Re:Can too many brainy people be a dangerous thing? by ska on Thursday October 29, 2020 @03:14PM (#24934406)
Not really. I suspect this is because unlike medicine, lawyers as a collective organization don't benefit as much from an artificial scarcity. MD isn't really a common path to anything other than a career as a doctor, but JD has other practical career paths.

It also differentiates the bar vs. board exams. You can't practice medicine without certification, but there are plenty of lawyers doing law without a bar association, it only constrains you from doing certain types of work.

Re:Can too many brainy people be a dangerous thing? by simonh on Thursday October 29, 2020 @01:27PM (#24932875)
There’s no such thing as areal maximally efficient market economy. There are always externalities, information asymmetries, insufficient regulation, too much regulation, etc and frequently all of the above to some extent at the same time.

It’s as Churchill said of Democracy, it’s the worst form of government we’ve come up with, except for all the others. Fortunately in a Democracy we have the freedoms to discuss, identify and agree solutions to these problems. These solutions will probably lead to more problems. Rinse and repeat.