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Re:Therapy patients blackmailed for cash after clinic data b... by adriand on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @06:55AM (#24917343)
This is so insane and so tragic. The anguish these people are going through right now is unconscionable. And the people doing this are truly the scum of the earth.

It also raises the question whether certain records just ought not to be digitized, ever. I saw a therapist a few years ago. I asked her at the start, while reviewing her Ts&Cs, about the service she used to store her client data. It was a very secure online service, she assured me. Yeah right, I thought. I asked her to keep my records on paper in her locked filing cabinet instead, and she agreed. I would really recommend the same course of action to anyone.

Re:Therapy patients blackmailed for cash after clinic data b... by vesinisa on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @07:43AM (#24917619)
My spouse works as psychotherapist. She has ever only used pen & paper for patient notes for exactly this reason. No digital service is unhackable, and the cases where you would actually need to access patient notes in electronic form are quite rare.
Re:Therapy patients blackmailed for cash after clinic data b... by Shivetya on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @07:57AM (#24917714)
Sadly this is no guarantee as the news is replete with stories of people finding medical records in trash or abandoned in close facilities.

However since no system is perfect laws have to exist to prevent the information from being used by others except as how authorized by the law; examples would be preventing prospective employers from using it to filter candidates, housing agencies would be similar restricted. The same law would put in place a means to force it to be removed from any site hosting the information.

The key take away is we cannot guarantee full protection but we minimize the damage caused

Re:Therapy patients blackmailed for cash after clinic data b... by dredmorbius on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @08:30AM (#24917925)
Records-in-trash take considerable work to access, parse, transmit, and duplicate.

Digital data are immensely reproducible.

Motivated adversaries may be motivated. Ask Dan.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-worlds-most-famou...

Re:Therapy patients blackmailed for cash after clinic data b... by eloisius on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @10:31AM (#24919124)
It also vastly decreases the feasible number of attackers. Digital records means you are vulnerable to criminals globally, particularly ones from places that don’t care so much about US law. Paper records in the trash are vulnerable to an extremely localized threat.
Re:Therapy patients blackmailed for cash after clinic data b... by dredmorbius on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @06:01PM (#24924605)
Quite.

If you can access it from anywhere (or your healthcare provider, other white hats, etc.), so can the black (or grey, or red, or geen,...) hats.

Re:Therapy patients blackmailed for cash after clinic data b... by jrochkind1 on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @10:20AM (#24918988)
Yeah, but what's the scenario where isolated medical records put in trash turn into a massive extortion scheme like this?

It even turning into a small-scale extortion scheme seems unlikely. Records are in trash AND someone finds them in trash in the relatively brief period before they wind up landfilled or incinerated, AND they decide to take them and track down the people who they belong to for purposes of extortion? I mean, sure, it could happen, and it's not a good thing for medical records to be in the trash. There are no "guarantees".

Physical records are clearly much much lower risk though.

Re:Therapy patients blackmailed for cash after clinic data b... by AbenezerMamo on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @08:51AM (#24918119)
The employment/housing/financing impact is too real, too deep, and too damn important. Change. A change gonna come.
Re:Therapy patients blackmailed for cash after clinic data b... by travisp on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @10:31AM (#24919119)
Many therapists don't write names in their psychotherapy notes, and instead use initials, and store them separately from records that require identifying information. It could be possible, but difficult to identify people from these records -- certainly not on a large scale like has happened here.
Re:Therapy patients blackmailed for cash after clinic data b... by zajio1am on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @08:01AM (#24917745)
IMHO using separate computer not connected to any network, locked in cabinet, should be safe enough.
Re:Therapy patients blackmailed for cash after clinic data b... by james305 on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @09:45AM (#24918645)
Agree on this point. Some computers just should not be internet connected. Security is the wild west right now and isn't going to be fixed any time soon.
Re:Therapy patients blackmailed for cash after clinic data b... by amelius on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @07:11AM (#24917436)
Perhaps they should simply store patients as numbers.
Re:Therapy patients blackmailed for cash after clinic data b... by mjevans on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @07:53AM (#24917678)
That would help, but metadata is a powerful thing. The relations, tendencies, and activities of someone, particularly the kind of notes (I imagine) are kept for therapy subjects, would be a treasure trove even with some subject indirection.
Re:Therapy patients blackmailed for cash after clinic data b... by biot on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @07:49AM (#24917658)
Re:Therapy patients blackmailed for cash after clinic data b... by jedimastert on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @09:04AM (#24918235)
Unfortunately you need surprisingly little data to uniquely identify someone. For example, sex, date of birth, and zip code can uniquely identify a large swath of the general public.

http://latanyasweeney.org/work/identifiability.html

Re:Therapy patients blackmailed for cash after clinic data b... by srtjstjsj on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @09:58AM (#24918765)
So removing the unnecessary date of birth and zip code, problem solved.