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Re:RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHu... by gruez on Tuesday October 27, 2020 @12:59PM (#24909352)
I also find it laughable to claim that a session token is a "rolling cipher". If the claim is to be taken at face value, it would ban any form of scraping, as most sites invariably use some sort of session token.
Re:RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHu... by Grimm1 on Tuesday October 27, 2020 @01:27PM (#24909662)
Which would be advantageous to a lot of big players with walled gardens, which is why I kind of hope this goes to court. Assuming a win it would further enshrine the legality of scraping.
Re:RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHu... by numpad0 on Tuesday October 27, 2020 @02:04PM (#24910083)
So just “remove” it. Out with “rolling cipher circumvention” in with session token handling.
Re:RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHu... by cookiecaper on Tuesday October 27, 2020 @02:43PM (#24910457)
Scraping an unwilling system is already essentially illegal, there's a long case history on this. It's only recently starting to change (via pure judicial activism) in HiQ v. LinkedIn. As written, the CFAA allows anyone to make a felon out of a persistent scraper.
Re:RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHu... by skylanh on Tuesday October 27, 2020 @03:15PM (#24910751)
https://www.rcfp.org/scraping-not-violation-cfaa/

> A federal appeals court last week issued a “hugely important” decision with potentially major implications for data journalists when it held that using computer programs to collect publicly available information from the internet — or “scraping” — likely does not violate the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, the main federal computer crime statute.

Links are in the quoted text.

Re:RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHu... by cyphar on Tuesday October 27, 2020 @03:23PM (#24910838)
The CFAA has nothing to do with copyright and that finding would only be relevant if the youtube-dl authors (or users) were being criminally prosecuted under the CFAA.
Re:RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHu... by danaris on Tuesday October 27, 2020 @01:26PM (#24909648)
> it would ban any form of scraping

...which many entities would love to do. If it were illegal to extract data any way but through an official API, with a TOS and fees and everything, that would make a bunch of dying business models so much more viable.

Re:RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHu... by wizzwizz4 on Tuesday October 27, 2020 @01:43PM (#24909855)
And kill Google Search. Google can't afford for that precedent to exist.
Re:RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHu... by cookiecaper on Tuesday October 27, 2020 @02:44PM (#24910470)
It already exists and it's used to kill startups every day (including mine). Google gets a pass because they're real special. See Perfect 10 v. Amazon.
Re:RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHu... by dredmorbius on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @08:09AM (#24917797)
Google can afford to legislate a carve-out.
Re:RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHu... by rouxz on Tuesday October 27, 2020 @02:19PM (#24910220)
afaik it is against Google TOS to scrape data from their services e.g. play store but I can't find the evidence now. Some mobile store analytics agencies do it very carefully seizing the risk of their google account being banned forever. Haven't heard the precedents, still.
Re:RIAA’s YouTube-dl takedown ticks off developers and GitHu... by BlueTemplar on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @04:21AM (#24916473)
ToS aren't laws.