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Re:Facebook Seeks Shutdown of NYU Research Project into Poli... by gostsamo on Friday October 23, 2020 @09:16PM (#24876098)
Because this is not private data, this is public discourse. How can we have conversations with people and argue about issues, if we and them have been different information and basically think that the same words have different meanings?
Re:Facebook Seeks Shutdown of NYU Research Project into Poli... by tjpnz on Saturday October 24, 2020 @05:53AM (#24878091)
The technical term for that is "theory of mind". Without it you've basically lost the ability to have and participate in civil society.
Re:Facebook Seeks Shutdown of NYU Research Project into Poli... by toxik on Saturday October 24, 2020 @06:01AM (#24878126)
Interesting observation. Would make for a great sci-fi novel premise.
Re:Facebook Seeks Shutdown of NYU Research Project into Poli... by Red_Leaves_Flyy on Saturday October 24, 2020 @08:19AM (#24878711)
Re:Facebook Seeks Shutdown of NYU Research Project into Poli... by toxik on Saturday October 24, 2020 @09:02AM (#24878937)
Tangentially at best, The Truman Show is great but there is complete theory of mind between all characters; there is just a big conspiracy.

A real breakdown of theory of mind would mean that there is a breakdown in common understanding. Like with an animal, you don't have complete theory of mind with an animal, and it certainly does not with you -- there is an inability to account for the reasoning of a dog.

Re:Facebook Seeks Shutdown of NYU Research Project into Poli... by Kim_Bruning on Saturday October 24, 2020 @09:23AM (#24879056)
I think it is arguable that one could plausibly make a Documentary already!

The way current social media and search engines optimize for engagement and tailor information to each user, people have really different views on the universe right now as is; and this has already had real-world consequences. (eg. corona-response, motivations for or against Brexit, etc. )

Re:Facebook Seeks Shutdown of NYU Research Project into Poli... by nickff on Friday October 23, 2020 @09:37PM (#24876191)
What other people are seeing is public discourse? I'm not sure I follow. Is their search history also public discourse?
Re:Facebook Seeks Shutdown of NYU Research Project into Poli... by obmelvin on Friday October 23, 2020 @10:34PM (#24876466)
> Is their search history also public discourse?

Oh, come on. You are bringing that into this discussion. The topic is not people's private search or browsing history. Political advertisements are very clearly a public issue.

Re:Facebook Seeks Shutdown of NYU Research Project into Poli... by polyomino on Saturday October 24, 2020 @01:35AM (#24877201)
Ad targeting is largely informed by browsing history.
Re:Facebook Seeks Shutdown of NYU Research Project into Poli... by Red_Leaves_Flyy on Saturday October 24, 2020 @08:21AM (#24878721)
Americans may not have a right to know whose paying for the propaganda we see, but, as far as I know, we do have a right to know what political propaganda is being spread and what groups.
Re:Facebook Seeks Shutdown of NYU Research Project into Poli... by Barrin92 on Friday October 23, 2020 @09:43PM (#24876218)
>What other people are seeing is public discourse

advertisement is part of public discourse, in particular political advertisement.

Re:Facebook Seeks Shutdown of NYU Research Project into Poli... by bryan_w on Friday October 23, 2020 @10:17PM (#24876385)
All FB political ads are listed in Facebook's Ad Library
Re:Facebook Seeks Shutdown of NYU Research Project into Poli... by Barrin92 on Friday October 23, 2020 @10:21PM (#24876402)
also directly from the article

>But that library excludes information about the targeting that determines who sees the ads.

>The researchers behind the NYU Ad Observatory said they wanted to provide journalists, researchers, policy makers, and others with the ability to search political ads by state and contest to see what messages are targeted to specific audiences and how those ads are funded.

The point of the research is to figure out what ads Facebook shows to which users, which is of course particularly important for people who try to do research on how ads on Facebook intersect with politics.

Re:Facebook Seeks Shutdown of NYU Research Project into Poli... by gostsamo on Friday October 23, 2020 @10:05PM (#24876319)
Political ads, political commentaries, memes.

I have someone on my contact list in fb who honestly thinks that QAnon exposes pedophiles. I can't wrap my head around how the heck they've reached that conclusion.

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Re:Facebook Seeks Shutdown of NYU Research Project into Poli... by ethbr0 on Saturday October 24, 2020 @12:00AM (#24876834)
It sells papers (or digital equivalents).

On Fox News, the left is nothing but a violent BLM mob being cheered on by supportive governors. Supported by Soros.

On MSNBC, the right is nothing but a violent fascist mob being cheered on by a supportive president. Supported by the Koch brothers.

Thankfully, we live in a country where the average person is not crazy. Unfortunately, you'd never know that from watching what passes for news these days.

Re:Facebook Seeks Shutdown of NYU Research Project into Poli... by nemothekid on Saturday October 24, 2020 @12:43AM (#24877010)
Yes, the right has their own boogeymen, like Antifa and BLM.

However I'm willing to bet you don't see anything about Q in right wing news sources is there is literally nothing to write about them except "these guys think Trump is fighting a deep underground pedo cabal" and I'm sure they don't want to antagonize their readers.

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Re:Facebook Seeks Shutdown of NYU Research Project into Poli... by nemothekid on Saturday October 24, 2020 @03:50AM (#24877656)
>Except of course BLM and Antifa physically exist

And Q... doesnt? What are you implying?

>see nearly every day in downtown Portland

>https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo

So Q doesn't exist, despite "plenty of imagery and video on twitter", but I should take "MrAndyNgo", a Twitter nobody completely at face value? I've been to Portland recently. Plenty of people were outside eating at restaurants. The "anarchy" is greatly overblown by the media.

I don't mean to downplay the impact of either movement, but to dismiss QAnon as "liberal conspiracy" when simultaneously only getting news from, what seems like a Twitter agitator, AndyNgo is concerning.

Re:Facebook Seeks Shutdown of NYU Research Project into Poli... by m0zg on Saturday October 24, 2020 @04:41AM (#24877819)
He's not a "twitter nobody", he's a blue check journalist who runs https://thepostmillennial.com/ and frequently appears on TV. All I'm saying is QAnon, if it's not a dumb LARP by some teenager, at least doesn't set police cruisers on fire and doesn't kill people for wearing a hat it doesn't like. So if we were going down the list of dangerous societal things to address it would be nowhere close to the top.
Re:Facebook Seeks Shutdown of NYU Research Project into Poli... by Red_Leaves_Flyy on Saturday October 24, 2020 @09:02AM (#24878936)
>All I'm saying is QAnon, if it's not a dumb LARP by some teenager, at least doesn't set police cruisers on fire and doesn't kill people for wearing a hat it doesn't like.

Bruh what? Qanon has incited a lot of violence. Getting someone to commit acts of violence on your behalf is worse than specific acts of violence by people that choose to do so without provocation. [0].

Anyways, comparing qanon, an anonymous conspiratorial propagandist to BLM:

>decentralized political and social movement advocating for non-violent civil disobedience in protest against incidents of police brutality and all racially motivated violence against black people. [1]

...or antifa, [2]:

>an anti-fascist action and left-wing political movement in the United States comprising an array of autonomous groups and individuals that aim to achieve their objectives through the use of both nonviolent and violent direct action rather than through policy reform.

...which are basically spontaneously formed groups of people supporting specific political causes...

  indicates that you do not understand the complexity of events since qanons appearance. yet you speak confidently as if you did and go on to condemn countless millions that support antifa or blm for their tenuous proximal association to anarchists or looters. Such irrational comparisons indicate an emotional response to whatever you perceive antifa and blm to represent.
Antifa and blm protests make specific demands at their demonstrations. Time and time again we see their demonstrations disrupted by radicalized agent provocateurs, opportunists, anarchists and others. Please disambiguate yourself when speaking about millions of people. It's easy to say an opportunistic person looting target is blm. Just as easy as it is to say anyone defending qanon, or intimidating voters by playing soldier at polling places is a proud boy/Aryan brother/whatever racist right wing group is in the news for a hate crime that day.

Proud boys, kkk, Aryan Brotherhood and countless others are violent terrorist organizations that have initial ceremonies, membership lists, and responsibilities. Antifa and blm do not. Trump can't even condemn white supremacists in the most generic of terms. On top of that he's frequently referenced q conspiracies lending whatever credibility you attribute to trump to qanon.

The link between trump, qanon, and racist terrorist organizations is stronger than any links between the countless millions of people who fly antifa or blm signs.

[0] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/15/qanon-violen...

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Lives_Matter

[2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)

Re:Facebook Seeks Shutdown of NYU Research Project into Poli... by smaryjerry on Sunday October 25, 2020 @10:13AM (#24886415)
The post is completely false and partisan. Trump said specifically he would denounce any group the moderator wanted. He has denounced white supremacy over 20 times on video over the past 4 years. Why so many times? Because the Democrats lie so much about him that the media keeps asking the same question. The same question was even asked at the 2016 debate with the same moderator. Then you have literally thousands of videos of people carrying antics flags, shouting BLM, and lighting things on fire, looting, etc. proud boys are not white supremacist either, they have plenty of black members and their leader is Hispanic. All it takes is a little time googling to find ANY of this or watch a legit news organization like Fox News that actually show the videos and tapes. It’s insane how many people claim Fox News to be fake or stories to be fake, but they literally show video evidence of all the violence meanwhile other media will say it’s “peaceful protests,” but for those of us there we know these protests shouting “No peace” are not peaceful.
Re:Facebook Seeks Shutdown of NYU Research Project into Poli... by JoeAltmaier on Sunday October 25, 2020 @10:18AM (#24886457)
Citation? Its so common nowadays to just claim unsubstantiated things. I.e. a video of our potus denouncing white supremacists?

Repeating the same videos of isolated incidents make BLM seem ultra-violent, but that's more of the same smearing tactics used for a decade now.

Re:Facebook Seeks Shutdown of NYU Research Project into Poli... by m0zg on Sunday October 25, 2020 @05:02PM (#24889857)
I have a good one. Here's the "fine people hoax" where he very specifically denounces white supremacists. Joe's entire campaign was started on a lie. You're being lied to by the press about nearly everything: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WWoXwUIywQ

Second part of the quote which you have not heard so far: "And I'm not talking about the neo-nazis and white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally."

Re:Facebook Seeks Shutdown of NYU Research Project into Poli... by Red_Leaves_Flyy on Monday October 26, 2020 @08:20AM (#24895313)
That's not a citation. That links to an alex Jones styled YouTube channel with breathless conspiratorial text superimposed over cherry pickedclips of what appears to broadcast tv, however their origin and veracity is as suspect as the person running the account.

Trump has never said: "I condemn white supremacists". Four words. Dead simple.

Here I'll say it. I condemn white supremacists. I condemn white supremacy. Your turn.

Saying they should be condemned is different.

Re:Facebook Seeks Shutdown of NYU Research Project into Poli... by smaryjerry on Tuesday October 27, 2020 @12:42AM (#24904532)
Search: trump condemns white supremacists 20 times. It’s a video showing a lot of them and not even all.
Re:Facebook Seeks Shutdown of NYU Research Project into Poli... by m0zg on Sunday October 25, 2020 @05:03PM (#24889865)
Couldn't have said it better myself. It's weird to me that people on the left don't see how gaslit they are. It's nuts, the bubble is impenetrable.
Re:Facebook Seeks Shutdown of NYU Research Project into Poli... by Red_Leaves_Flyy on Monday October 26, 2020 @08:25AM (#24895360)
Then prove me wrong, line by line.
Re:Facebook Seeks Shutdown of NYU Research Project into Poli... by gostsamo on Friday October 23, 2020 @11:24PM (#24876703)
The person quoted that banning QAnon groups is how mainstream censorship prevents honest people from exposing pedophiles. Take it or not.