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Re:My chatbot is dead – Why yours should probably be too by dheera on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @04:09AM (#24834953)
Sure, I love chat support interfaces and use them all the time. If I want support, that is. But not when I hit your site for the first time and just getting acquainted with your product. I just want to see your product materials at my own pace in peace. If you want me to see something different, change those materials to whatever you want your first impression to be. But don't accost me with a "can i help you" before I have even had 2 minutes to read your product description. That's almost like if a grocery store employee greets you at the door and follows you around as you browse the fruit section asking "can I help you" -- I'd probably leave that grocery store pretty quickly.

Popups of all kinds, I despise. There should NEVER be any unsolicited modals. That includes chat boxes, "please subscribe to our newsletter", GDPR warnings, and all of them. They all interrupt my attention flow severely. If you're lucky, I will inspect your DOM and will block your modal with injected CSS/JS rules, reload, and keep browsing your site. If you're unlucky, I'll leave and look for other competing sites that are a more pleasant experience. I have clicked out of several sites before that had a stupid "can i help you" Intercom popup. On a few of those occasions I actually replied "no go away" before leaving the site, hoping that they would take the feedback for the future.

Re:My chatbot is dead – Why yours should probably be too by alias_neo on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @04:20AM (#24835016)
The experience is analogous to the situation of walking into a physical store and having the clerk harass you the second you walk in. It makes you very uncomfortable and doesn't give you the opportunity to browse before they jump on you.

I find that stores which do this tend to be more interested in making a sale than ensuring you have something you're happy with and want/need.

What should we expect from sites which behave like this?

Re:My chatbot is dead – Why yours should probably be too by vidarh on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @06:06AM (#24835643)
I often walk out of stores when that happen, and have more than once stopped to tell them that is exactly why I'm leaving.
Re:My chatbot is dead – Why yours should probably be too by tastroder on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @04:37AM (#24835104)
> If I want support, that is.

Even then, too many sites replaced their point of contact with these trivial keyword kind of chat bot interfaces and it's annoying as heck.

I tried to report a phishing page hosted on some random SaaS thing yesterday. Instead of a contact form / abuse contact e-mail in the page footer I ended up on a FAQ page telling me to report it using their chat thing. Of course that chat was not staffed without any indication until you typed up a message (another frequent factor of annoyance for those not in US-adjacent time zones) and the keyword matcher asked me if the FAQ page I was on would be of any help. When I put the data in the thing to go on with my day it asked me for an e-mail to follow-up with me, something this interaction did not require.

Sure, I get when people get more customer interaction from these things but please folks, make sure it's not replacing functionality for other parts of your (potential) customer base.

Re:My chatbot is dead – Why yours should probably be too by sdoering on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @04:23AM (#24835034)
As a data analyst I have evaluated the performance of chatbots in particular and modals in general for several clients.

And I can agree with you. There is actually nearly always a customer segment that finds chatbots and popups totally annoying. This usually ends up in this segment leaving the site disproportionately due to the modals, which leads to a loss of revenue.

At the same time there is a segment (usually much larger) that appreciates chatbots and FAQ modals - even on the first visit. Here these functionalities lead to a significant increase in sales.

I think that it is quite difficult to automatically assign the user to the appropriate segment and adjust the behavior of the website accordingly. Unfortunately.

Du such popups annoy me and I belong in the same segment as you? Absolutely. Am I an empiricist and do I have to advise most of my clients on such functionalities after appropriate tests because they boost sales? Also absolutely.

And on the question of GDPR modals, I'm afraid I have to say that they are an absolute legal necessity. Unfortunately, the way they have been implemented in most cases I know of is designed to put the user behind the scenes and make him accept more tracking/cookies than he would like to. These things annoy me so much and should be banned from the net.

Re:My chatbot is dead – Why yours should probably be too by dheera on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @04:27AM (#24835053)
> And on the question of GDPR modals, I'm afraid I have to say that they are an absolute legal necessity.

I block cookies from all sites by default, and make exceptions for the few that I need to log into. The result is the GDPR modals keep popping up because the modals can't set cookies to remember whether or not I accepted.

So the only thing I can do is inject JS/CSS to block them.

(Also by de-modalizing it and hiding it, I never actually need to accept anything, and nobody gets my permission to track, hee hee.)

Re:My chatbot is dead – Why yours should probably be too by nicbou on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @03:00AM (#24845397)
uBlock has a list for cookie modal. It's pretty effective. I Don't Care About Cookies is also great.
Re:My chatbot is dead – Why yours should probably be too by TeMPOraL on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @04:38AM (#24835116)
> And on the question of GDPR modals, I'm afraid I have to say that they are an absolute legal necessity.

They absolutely are not a legal necessity if you don't do things you shouldn't be doing. That's the point of GDPR :).

But of course doing these things, putting up the popups, and then trying to direct users' anger at Brussels is empirically the revenue-maximizing strategy, so here we are.

Re:My chatbot is dead – Why yours should probably be too by Tainnor on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @11:23AM (#24838398)
This is exactly right. The GDPR only says that you have to ask users for their consent if you want to use their data in a way that is not strictly required for the service they request from you. If you stop tracking your users, then you don't need to have stupid popups and modals, most of which are probably illegal anyway, since the default action tends to be the one that allows all the tracking cookies. The problem with GDPR is that it's not really being enforced much.
Re:My chatbot is dead – Why yours should probably be too by Semaphor on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @04:18AM (#24835006)
> There should NEVER be any unsolicited modals […] GDPR warnings

Hah. You expect sites to not track you just because you are there for the first time? If that were the case there’d probably be no GDPR.

Re:My chatbot is dead – Why yours should probably be too by dheera on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @04:21AM (#24835022)
No, I just block cookies from ALL sites except the few that I need to log into. GDPR is mostly irrelevant to me for that reason.

The unfortunate result is that the goddamn GDPR warnings keep popping up, because ironically, the way those websites remember that you either "accepted" or "denied" the tracking request is to leave a cookie, and I don't allow or want to allow that cookie.

EDIT: Separately, there are many websites that only have an "accept" button and no "decline" button. By blocking the modal dialog boxes, I never actually "accepted", and therefore they never got my permission to track. Ha!

Re:My chatbot is dead – Why yours should probably be too by tpxl on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @08:17AM (#24836427)
>No, I just block cookies from ALL sites except the few that I need to log into. GDPR is mostly irrelevant to me for that reason.

GDPR is about a lot more than just cookies.

>By blocking the modal dialog boxes, I never actually "accepted", and therefore they never got my permission to track. Ha!

Unfortunately they probably treat this as if you accepted the modal (which is against GDPR).

Re:My chatbot is dead – Why yours should probably be too by dheera on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @12:33PM (#24839379)
> Unfortunately they probably treat this as if you accepted

Sure, but they can't track me anyway :)

Re:My chatbot is dead – Why yours should probably be too by tpxl on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @01:49PM (#24840320)
You seem to be mighty sure of that. What's the methods you use to stay anonymous?
Re:My chatbot is dead – Why yours should probably be too by account42 on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @08:28AM (#24836491)
> No, I just block cookies from ALL sites except the few that I need to log into. GDPR is mostly irrelevant to me for that reason.

GDPR is about all tracking - cookies are just one implementation.

Re:My chatbot is dead – Why yours should probably be too by robin_reala on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @09:38AM (#24837130)
GDPR is about all processing and use of personal data, not just tracking.