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Re:Will SARS-CoV-2 become endemic? by simonh on Friday October 16, 2020 @02:14PM (#24803443)
Please don't do that. Nobody said not to fight it, we do fight colds already, it just wouldn't be news anymore.

Did you know there are four coronaviruses that cause cold-like symptoms? I didn't, because I didn't really care. That's all Op is saying.

Re:Will SARS-CoV-2 become endemic? by hyko on Saturday October 17, 2020 @08:57AM (#24809615)
we do fight colds already, it just wouldn't be news anymore.

In recent history we haven’t bothered fighting colds at all and this attitude has not served us well. Up until March 2020 it was socially acceptable to roll into your office, church, or school coughing and sneezing everywhere. In 2020 we even had to produce public health videos to teach people how to wash their hands and why it was a good idea to do so! This was taking place in high income, well educated countries that would consider themselves technologically advanced and socially sophisticated.

That casual posture is obviously gone for a generation, but what underpinned it was our collective delusion that we had conquered infectious disease while all visibly ill from all the infectious disease circulating in the population every year.

The research efforts are interesting because it seems to be a very tough vaccine candidate due in part to the sheer number of viruses and strains you’re dealing with. I’ve not seen the financials, but I’d be surprised if we were spending anything like the estimated costs of tens of billions of dollars on finding a solution. I guess it’s a case where the costs are borne in a very diffuse way but the solutions have to come out of specific research budgets. Why bother researching and getting approval for a vaccine, when you can just sell people over the counter snake oil like cough medicine?

We don’t have to shrug when our low baseline expectations for life get even worse. We can and must do better if we believe in progress.

Re:Will SARS-CoV-2 become endemic? by simonh on Saturday October 17, 2020 @02:58PM (#24812264)
Then there's the counter-argument that within reason having a low level of infectious diseases hanging around isn't such a bad thing. It trains our immune systems, preparing them for more serious attacks. I honestly don't know how good an idea that is, but it seems plausible and Ive heard it from medical professionals.

At the medical science level, we absolutely do investigate common cold pathogens and others, and have developed a battery of techniques, all of which were very rapidly brought to bear on Covid-19.

Where I think we do need to do a lot better is in international co-operation and co-ordination. In the USA the CDC needs competent leadership again, they need their seat back at the US national Security Council and they need their international outreach budget back. Europe needs to develop their own equivalent to the CDC that's well funded and effective.

The WHO also needs thoroughly upgrading. I think given the way national governments have ensured the WHO stays a political football, they actually overall do a lot of good. A lot of nations are thoroughly reliant on them for advice and technical assistance, but clearly their chronic dependence on the good will of nation states has severely compromised their ability to act as an independent and effective organisation. They need more funding and more independence, not bullying by China and the USA to serve domestic agendas.

Re:Will SARS-CoV-2 become endemic? by Buttons840 on Friday October 16, 2020 @04:10PM (#24804558)
> Please don't do that.

What do you mean? Don't do what?

Please don't make that argument your making? Please don't make your argument in that way? Please don't argue at all? Please don't ask questions?

Literally, all the comment you responded to did what ask a question to invite further discussion of an idea they were interested in.

When I hear "please don't do that" I picture kids pulling up flowers in someone's yard and they yell out "please don't do that!" It seems aggressive and unspecific for a civilized discussion among equals.

Re:Will SARS-CoV-2 become endemic? by simonh on Saturday October 17, 2020 @08:38AM (#24809520)
What I pointed out. Please don’t say someone said something they didn’t say and is arguing a point they didn’t make.
Re:Will SARS-CoV-2 become endemic? by lostdog on Friday October 16, 2020 @02:20PM (#24803499)
If we had invested more in developing vaccines and treatments for the common cold, then maybe we would have tricks that would have helped us beat covid faster.
Re:Will SARS-CoV-2 become endemic? by skim_milk on Friday October 16, 2020 @02:31PM (#24803620)
I think that's a common misconception here. Common cold viruses are very frequent targets of research - not with the end goal of creating an actual vaccine for a specific cold virus but for covering blind spots in our insight and processes that can be weaponized to create a vaccine when an outbreak happens. I'd say that our system is working - developing several working vaccines for a novel virus in under a year is pretty darn impressive.
Re:Will SARS-CoV-2 become endemic? by simonh on Friday October 16, 2020 @03:02PM (#24803929)
Especially considering several of the actual vaccine candidates were developed in low single digit months, it's the evaluation production and testing that's taking most of the time.
Re:Will SARS-CoV-2 become endemic? by dividedbyzero on Friday October 16, 2020 @03:43PM (#24804290)
I'm not aware of a single working Covid-19 vaccine, which ones would that be? There are promising candidates, sure, but I don't think any have already been shown to be both effective and safe, which I'd say is required for one to be working, on the timescales that are needed, and I wouldn't know how one might do that so quickly. The current forerunners might well not work out, though I hope at least one of them will work, but my understanding is that anything immunity-related is fiendishly hard.
Re:Will SARS-CoV-2 become endemic? by jessaustin on Friday October 16, 2020 @05:08PM (#24805075)
The one constant in all reporting and discussion about potential SARS-CoV-2 vaccines is wishful thinking. I don't blame the pharma execs for that; talking up their stocks is their job. Everyone else, though, could do with a great deal more skepticism. We'll be lucky to have a commonly-available, somewhat-effective vaccine next year. If you had listened to the cheerleaders in June, you would be shocked to learn we don't have multiple such vaccines now.

Regular mask wearing and careful avoidance of problematic public situations is already more effective than any vaccine for this virus will ever be.