News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Show HN: I made a site where you practice typing by retyp... by dmix on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @08:17AM (#24696894)
This was explained by HST in one of his letters, which was collected in the excellent three book collection of letters he sent and received to his friends. Including many famous writers.

HST was always great in small rapid outputs of writing, which is captured well in his letters (similar to how his collection of articles are his most popular works, but these deserve a similar look).

He obviously had some sort of ADD and later on combined with a long series of drug/alcohol addictions, so it makes sense he was better in short blurbs. Even his most famous novel Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas has a feeling of multiple long spurts on a typewriter.

Which is always how he wrote. Always also at the very last minute of the magazine due date and/or because he was running out of money and needed the next advance.

I believe this is common in creative fields. Long periods of meh and spurts of greatness.

Anyway the book series is here, usually called the Gonzo Letters:

https://www.goodreads.com/series/64386-the-fear-and-loathing...

Only the 2nd one has a Wikipedia page for some reason (the 3rd one came out in 2014) but the first one (The Proud Highway: The Saga of a Desperate Southern Gentleman 1955–1967) as a young writer who is often desperate and broke was most interesting IMO, even though his life or writing wasn’t yet as it would become famous for (but definitely still as wild) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_and_Loathing_in_America

Re:Show HN: I made a site where you practice typing by retyp... by wenc on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @12:02PM (#24699172)
Inspiration is lumpy, so I've adopted the Fieldstone method [1] (articulated by the prolific Gerald Weinberg).

In my implementation, I collect little thoughts (shower thoughts, observations, good turns of phrases, etc.) into a single continuous Google Doc. I revisit it often and guided by my current emotions and interests, try to coalesce like-ideas and rewrite them into a large idea. Some ideas eventually snowball into something substantial.

Unless you're a columnist with a deadline (with innate talent driven by adrenalin), everybody knows how difficult it is to write an essay from scratch. However if you've been collecting ideas, and have been developing and coalescing and rewriting them over and over again (often for years), the essay almost writes itself.

[1] https://www.skmurphy.com/blog/2016/05/04/weinberg-on-writing...

Re:Show HN: I made a site where you practice typing by retyp... by badtuple on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @12:29PM (#24699573)
I have a similar workflow, but for a different reason. BJ Novak described in an interview how the ideation part of the process is totally different from the productive part. This spoke to me, and I've been approaching them separately ever since. When they get too inflated I either get writers/coders block or absolute spaghetti, so it's easy to see when I've grown less disciplined with the division.
Re:Show HN: I made a site where you practice typing by retyp... by selestify on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @05:07PM (#24702354)
Do you remember where BJ Novak gave that interview? I’m curious to see what he had to say about it
Re:Show HN: I made a site where you practice typing by retyp... by mylons on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @10:16AM (#24697850)
I find this to be true with computer programming/work for me. I’m productive in bursts.
Re:Show HN: I made a site where you practice typing by retyp... by grugagag on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @10:40AM (#24698111)
I'm productive in bursts as well. I have the feeling that in between bursts things are still computing in the background so it looks like you're not doing anything but the brain is still churning. This type of bursty productivity is very hard to account for in a corporate environment where one's productivity should be accounted for on a daily basis and laid down in cookie cutter time slots. I often wonder whether I have ADHD since I can hyperfocus when Im in a productive burst. Unfortunately/fortunately I don't tick other boxes so I'm in a limbo with the diagnosis
Re:Show HN: I made a site where you practice typing by retyp... by thaumasiotes on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @11:26AM (#24698691)
> I have the feeling that in between bursts things are still computing in the background so it looks like you're not doing anything but the brain is still churning.

This is something that's bothered me since my university put out a survey asking about time spent on homework.

Suppose the following things happen:

1. A math class assigns a proof.

2. I look at the problem, fiddle around with it for 20 minutes, and get nowhere.

3. I play Final Fantasy for 6 days.

4. I go back to the problem. In 40 minutes, I have the proof worked out.

How long did I spend on the proof? What if the counterfactual was

1. Proof gets assigned.

2. Look at it, do nothing.

3. The day after, sit down and spend 3 hours proving it.

How long did I spend then? Are the two scenarios... different?

Re:Show HN: I made a site where you practice typing by retyp... by mandelbrotwurst on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @01:17PM (#24700152)
I think about this in terms of how much clock time has elapsed versus how much working time I spend on something - i.e. I am very often able to trade an increase in clock time elapsed (taking more breaks) for a decrease in working time, and vice versa.

As with most things, this comes with diminishing returns as you push toward minimizing one over the other.

Sometimes, even negative returns, e.g. because of increased context switching costs, or confusion and general malaise caused by staring at something for too long.

Re:Show HN: I made a site where you practice typing by retyp... by thaumasiotes on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @06:34PM (#24703157)
> I am very often able to trade an increase in clock time elapsed (taking more breaks) for a decrease in working time, and vice versa.

But this is the problem with a survey of "how long does the homework take?". The question isn't well defined. The answer doesn't exist.

Re:Show HN: I made a site where you practice typing by retyp... by nicky0 on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @11:22AM (#24698636)
I think it's quite common among programmers. At least, I have always been that way too. I can go week of unproductive time then suddenly several days of immersion.
Re:Show HN: I made a site where you practice typing by retyp... by grugagag on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @11:33AM (#24698794)
That's the reason I avoid taking the Ritaline/Amphetamines route. I think it is normal and i wouldn't want to be a productivity machine anyway
Re:Show HN: I made a site where you practice typing by retyp... by entropicdrifter on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @12:46PM (#24699791)
They're also bad for your heart and can really mess up your diet if you're not careful
Re:Show HN: I made a site where you practice typing by retyp... by sildur on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @08:14AM (#24707402)
“The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long”
Re:Show HN: I made a site where you practice typing by retyp... by sjg007 on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @08:58PM (#24714580)
ADHD is defined based on symptoms in childhood. A lot of adults discover they have ADHD when they take their kids in for testing/assessment due to school issues and the kids are diagnosed.

The drugs stimulate your executive function which helps you concentrate.

Re:Show HN: I made a site where you practice typing by retyp... by smabie on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @11:16AM (#24698566)
If you goal is to get prescribed stimulants (amphetamines, ritalin, or modafinil), it's pretty trivial to get diagnosed and prescribed. Psychs hand that stuff out like candy
Re:Show HN: I made a site where you practice typing by retyp... by cbsks on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @12:12PM (#24699300)
I went to my general practitioner (in the US) and got a Ritalin prescription just by saying “I have a hard time concentrating at work”. That’s it. No referral to a specialist or anything.

It is a wonder drug for me. I used to spend a majority of my time farting around on the internet at work, then working long hours and scrambling to get my work done before the deadline. Now I am able to be productive more consistently and don’t miss nearly as many deadlines.

Re:Show HN: I made a site where you practice typing by retyp... by andruby on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @01:02PM (#24699993)
Are you a “different” person while on Ritalin? My wife’s a teacher and these days a lot of kids are on Ritalin. She says the kids that “need” it are more manageable when taking it, but it does change their personality. They are less... “lively”.
Re:Show HN: I made a site where you practice typing by retyp... by munk-a on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @07:40PM (#24703749)
I absolutely feel like a different person. I started on it youngish in my preteen years and have spent a lot of time reflecting on the question of what being a different person means and my conclusion is basically: I like this person more, off the meds I'm quicker to anger which burns bridges and my concentration is absolute trash making me unable to pursue things I want to do. This person's life is better so I choose it over the other one.
Re:Show HN: I made a site where you practice typing by retyp... by grugagag on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @10:50PM (#24704869)
Do you think you could alter all your bad habits and slowly taper off so you no longer need to depend on the meds? Or do you think over time they might loose their effectiveness?
Re:Show HN: I made a site where you practice typing by retyp... by munk-a on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @03:13PM (#24711585)
I don't believe so - I also struggled a bit with this question especially in my twenties - "other people are able to overcome it and focus so maybe if I put enough effort in I'd be able to do the same?" As I've aged into working in the job market it's less of a concern to me, I have strengths and weaknesses, even with meds my attention to detail and patience with the minutia is lacking. I'm concerned (especially while I was in the states) that shifting off of my meds could be a tailspin and end up being self-destructive - like hard drug use it's something that the person inside of the bubble is not able to properly judge and decisions and actions that may be clearly poor to an outside observer may be viewed positively internally.

The early days of uni for me were the first time I was actually responsible for ensuring that my med supply continued and that's a big part of why I'm hesitant to try tapering off of it - it was incredibly difficult for me to find the motivation or the energy to actually fill up my prescription if I had let it lapse and the days (up to eight in the worst case) I was without meds I completely dropped the ball on schoolwork and other responsibilities.

So I'm worried about tapering off since I'm concerned I might not be able to stop tapering or I would burn a lot of goodwill/financial security recovering from the tapering off if it went poorly. That all said, ADD is different for everyone with different levels of apathy and concentration, I wouldn't be surprised if mine was a particularly potent variety beyond what most folks deal with but, with meds, I'm able to cope and have a nice life.

The philosophical questions about personhood don't really ever stop nagging away at you in the background, but I'm happy with things as they are - sorry if this was a bit of a downer response ;P

Re:Show HN: I made a site where you practice typing by retyp... by Jarwain on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @01:29PM (#24700288)
I can say I felt more like a zombie or emotionally dampened when I was taking Concerta (which is similar to Ritalin just with a longer duration and smoother effect curve).
Re:Show HN: I made a site where you practice typing by retyp... by cbsks on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @01:12PM (#24700109)
That's an interesting question. I don't think so? If I was, would I notice? Nobody has ever mentioned it to me.

I only take it at work so I am pretty much just sitting in front of a computer when I'm on it.

Re:Show HN: I made a site where you practice typing by retyp... by vagrantJin on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @10:20AM (#24708487)
I certainly hope you are joking. The statement sends a chill down the spine. When did people forget that children are, indeed, quite human?
Re:Show HN: I made a site where you practice typing by retyp... by kortilla on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @12:13PM (#24709683)
Re:Show HN: I made a site where you practice typing by retyp... by grugagag on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @11:38AM (#24698860)
I tried some and I don't like their effect. Yes, I can sit down through boring stuff but the intrinsic interest becomes dries up while on these. It is true that I didn't try this treatment for extended periods of time but I may if I absolutely need to (but only temporarily, up to a couple of months or so). For now I try to enjoy my average productivity which comes in bursts and that is okay
Re:Show HN: I made a site where you practice typing by retyp... by toyg on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @11:43AM (#24698935)
I don't know how it is in the US, but I'm scared of even trying to be diagnosed in the UK. Once you're in the system as somebody with psych problems, a lot of things can get harder. I fear the risk is not worth satiating the curiosity.
Re:Show HN: I made a site where you practice typing by retyp... by cbsks on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @12:06PM (#24699218)
I guess that’s one benefit of the US’s terrible health system? There isn’t a single “system” so even if one doctor diagnoses you with something, a different doctor in a different office won’t have any idea about it unless you volunteer the information.
Re:Show HN: I made a site where you practice typing by retyp... by rhyswallace on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @12:32PM (#24699613)
Wait the US doesn't have a centralized/shared medical records service? I never realized that! In France, I suppose like in the UK, we have our "Carte Vitale" ("Life/Vital Card"), which is scanned each visit to a doctor, hospital, pharmacy, etc, each updating your personal database nationally.

It also serves as a link to your insurance provider in each location, so reimbursements are automatic.

Re:Show HN: I made a site where you practice typing by retyp... by smabie on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @03:35PM (#24701490)
Nope, doctors can't see you medical information unless you give it to them.
Re:Show HN: I made a site where you practice typing by retyp... by Thorrez on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @10:30PM (#24704764)
There must be some sort of system that shares info some of the time. I signed up for a new doctor (haven't even visited yet) across the country from my old one, and the website of my new doctor's medical center already knows all my historical vaccine dates. I didn't give any of that information over, just my name, birthday, and SSN.
Re:Show HN: I made a site where you practice typing by retyp... by xenospn on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @04:09PM (#24701824)
Usually by fax.
Re:Show HN: I made a site where you practice typing by retyp... by vikramkr on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @06:50PM (#24703301)
Or by handing them a CD
Re:Show HN: I made a site where you practice typing by retyp... by IggleSniggle on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @12:28PM (#24699561)
Just FYI, this is increasingly less true in many respects...although the opposite problem also occurs, where there is so much noise that the important pieces for any given visit do not surface for the doc.
Re:Show HN: I made a site where you practice typing by retyp... by splatcollision on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @09:36AM (#24697504)
Still waiting for the third volume to actually drop? Can't find it available and all the amazon reviews are 5-star complaints about the delayed release :(
Re:Show HN: I made a site where you practice typing by retyp... by dmix on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @11:24AM (#24698669)
Oh weird, I wasn't aware they still haven't release it yet. It's been 19 years since the 2nd volume. That's really odd. They didn't fulfill the preorders in 2014 either https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0684873176/

I thought making it through the other two 700+ pages of letters was quite an achievement. I was planning to read the 3rd one at some later point in my life.

I guess I'll still have to wait ... the title was really great too "The Mutineer: Rants, Ravings, and Missives from the Mountaintop, 1977-2005".

Re:Show HN: I made a site where you practice typing by retyp... by Swizec on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @11:37AM (#24698849)
You need the long periods of meh for the bursts of great to happen. The meh puts in the ground work for the good.