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Re:For years, Intel sat on its CPU monopoly and now the tide... by webmaven on Saturday October 03, 2020 @04:09PM (#24674356)
> > what if Apple outperforms both Intel and AMD with their Apple Silicon?

> It wouldn't matter at all to either AMD or Intel until Apple starts supplying these chips to other OEM's. Till then, it will just be used in the walled garden of Apple products, which is the very thing that makes it very unattractive for many users.

Well, there is another possible path: if Apple Silicon is seen as a PoC, someone else could decide to pursue the server market with an Apple Silicon inspired ARM-based offering. Perhaps aimed at FaaS deployments or something similar.

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Re:For years, Intel sat on its CPU monopoly and now the tide... by _ph_ on Saturday October 03, 2020 @05:51PM (#24674938)
There are already ARM based servers available in AWS. The big problem is: almost no one has desktop machines, where the software development happens, with ARM. Linus once commented that ARM doesn't sell so well on the server, because developers are lacking desktop machines with that architectore. Apple Silicon could close that gap. You can develop with a Linux VM on AS, and deploy on ARM in the cloud.
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Re:For years, Intel sat on its CPU monopoly and now the tide... by pjmlp on Sunday October 04, 2020 @03:14AM (#24677062)
Around the first .com wave, I used to develop on Windows (C and C++) and deploy on SPARC/PowerPC/PA-RISC servers.

The only x86 servers were running a mix of NT 4.0 and Windows 2000.

Apparently it worked.

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Re:For years, Intel sat on its CPU monopoly and now the tide... by _ph_ on Sunday October 04, 2020 @06:48AM (#24677916)
Of course it works. Otherwise there would be no ARM on the servers. But it is second class to a setup, where the development and deployment happens on the same platform. Having good ARM machines available on the desktop will give ARM on the server a boost. As I wrote, don't take my word for it, listen to what Linus hat to say on that topic.
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Re:For years, Intel sat on its CPU monopoly and now the tide... by pjmlp on Sunday October 04, 2020 @07:00AM (#24677982)
Ironically UNIX is exactly one kind of platform where remote development is first class.

One just needs to properly configure mount points and remote sessions.

There was hardly any difference between my X sessions and local development.

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Re:For years, Intel sat on its CPU monopoly and now the tide... by _ph_ on Sunday October 04, 2020 @09:16AM (#24678812)
Sorry, in general that is not true. You need a very good network connection, both with bandwidth and latency, to make remote devlopment workable. Still, it never equals local development. If you follow the discussions here on hacker news, which terminal software has the smalles latency, remote development never can compete with that.
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Re:For years, Intel sat on its CPU monopoly and now the tide... by pjmlp on Sunday October 04, 2020 @09:27AM (#24678874)
Apparently having UNIX servers on premises is a forgotten art.
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Re:For years, Intel sat on its CPU monopoly and now the tide... by _ph_ on Sunday October 04, 2020 @10:51AM (#24679452)
It is. Even if companies have their own hardware, it is often in separate compute centers. And of course anything on AWS or Azure is not on premise.
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Re:For years, Intel sat on its CPU monopoly and now the tide... by pjmlp on Sunday October 04, 2020 @11:10AM (#24679590)
Not everyone is FAANG, or pretends to be one.
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Re:For years, Intel sat on its CPU monopoly and now the tide... by Iwan-Zotow on Saturday October 03, 2020 @10:51PM (#24676201)
Nobody cares about server market, literally if it runs on abacus fast enough it's ok.

Developers! DEvelopers! Developers!

ARM should be in consumer space, millions of laptops for developers first running Windows and Linux

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Re:For years, Intel sat on its CPU monopoly and now the tide... by pjmlp on Sunday October 04, 2020 @03:17AM (#24677075)
With the cloud and managed runtimes (or stuff like POSIX), I don't care one second what CPUs are running there (beyond endiness and using the right widths), I never wrote hand Assembly for such kind of deployments and the optimizer was good enough for our workloads.

The only issue would be libraries available only in binary form for AOT compiled languages.

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Re:For years, Intel sat on its CPU monopoly and now the tide... by wmf on Saturday October 03, 2020 @04:30PM (#24674472)
someone else could decide to pursue the server market with an Apple Silicon inspired ARM-based offering

In other words Nuvia.

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