Japan’s lost generation is still jobless and living with their parents

Re:Japan’s lost generation is still jobless and living with ... by oblio on Friday October 02, 2020 @07:39AM (#24661575)

You're awfully pessimistic and ignoring human creativity. And also human capacity for accepting compromises.

When Malthus lived, there were about 1 billion people. It's hard to estimate, but I'd guess at most 10% of those were living non-miserable lives, so about 100 million people at most.

Now the world middle class is 4 billion (40x) and the world upper class is probably around half a billion people (5x). I'm willing to bet that each and every one of those middle class individuals live better lives than the upper class of his time. We've been able to scale that 40x in 200 years. Despite wars, natural disasters, social strife, etc.

We're pretty resilient.

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Re:Japan’s lost generation is still jobless and living with ... by inglor_cz on Friday October 02, 2020 @04:45PM (#24666843)

We have also incurred some ecological debt.

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Re:Japan’s lost generation is still jobless and living with ... by oblio on Saturday October 03, 2020 @03:54AM (#24670399)

Which as things get more extreme we'll pay off. At this point we're at the "asking nicely" phase, but it will become "at gunpoint" if this doesn't work out.

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Re:Japan’s lost generation is still jobless and living with ... by inglor_cz on Saturday October 03, 2020 @05:01AM (#24670644)

Let us hope so. Your comparison is apt, but let us not forget that even at gunpoint, some people aren't in a position to pay and their bodies later get dumped into the harbor by the mob.

Where there is a debt, there might be a later bankruptcy.

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Re:Japan’s lost generation is still jobless and living with ... by ginko on Friday October 02, 2020 @09:04AM (#24662154)

> You're awfully pessimistic and ignoring human creativity. And also human capacity for accepting compromises.

Sure we might manage to live with 10 billion people on the planet, maybe even more. But why would we want to? I see no value in having more people on the planet. If anything it only reduces the value of each individual.

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Re:Japan’s lost generation is still jobless and living with ... by mac01021 on Friday October 02, 2020 @02:32PM (#24665552)

> I see no value in having more people on the planet. If anything it only reduces the value of each individual.

Does it? A group of people who just know how to raise and care for nerfs may not be worth anything to me. But add a bunch more people who know how to turn nerf wool into a high-quality textile and I start to value the nerf herders a lot more.

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Re:Japan’s lost generation is still jobless and living with ... by oblio on Friday October 02, 2020 @10:47AM (#24663165)

I'm not saying that I want more people (or fewer people) on the planet.

It's just a fact. We're 8 billion and we'll probably be 11 billion when we reach peak population.

> I see no value in having more people on the planet.

I have to point out that you say this as a person on this planet :-)

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