The problem is that if you're writing a Vue app, and you import a web component that was written in Preact, you're now loading both Vue and Preact onto your page. That means your app will take twice as long to load. That is a huge downside to weigh against the inconvenience of having to find a version of that widget that's built specifically for your framework, or even just building one yourself. The compatibility layer doesn't matter if nobody's going to use it.

> To be frank, I think in large part this is due to React

I'm not sure. I think React saw that the web components model was broken and didn't waste the effort trying to stick to it, and built their own separate React world that wasn't broken and that's why they've been so successful. It's a shame and an indictment of the web platform, but I think from their perspective it was the right decision.

The real shame would be if React's mindshare is the thing now holding us back from finally solving this at a platform level. I can only speculate about that, but it doesn't seem out of the question.

Svelte is the outlier here, where the end-product is fully compiled to standard API's without a runtime. Maybe we'll see more frameworks adopt this approach in the future.

Definitely agreed. If you want an example of Web Components working cross-framework, look at Ionic and Stencil tbh.

Yes, this is what I meant when I said the post is too snarky, but I don't think it's fair to take that as representative of all "webcomponents supporters". That JS exists to fill a gap left by the platform, and it's a gap that should be filled by the platform, but it's also a gap that isn't filled by the platform.

> I actually hold the opinion that it was never even a good idea, because it’s simply the wrong abstraction layer to be extending on

I disagree. HTML is a profoundly intuitive and accessible standard which reaches far outside the normal bounds of software developers. This is evidenced by the thriving diversity the web has experienced (before everything moved to closed platforms, that is). For static content it already provides an exceptional balance between expressiveness and accessibility, and the dream of web components was to bring that over to apps as well. And I really do think that idea is still a good one.

Sure, and in a single project at a single company that's probably fine. You've all agreed to standardize on a single version of Lit-Element and compile the whole project at once, so no worries.

But if the goal is to make Web Components standard units of UI across the web, such that you can grab a `color-picker` component and a `webcam-video` component and put them together into your `video-color-filter` component... well, if color-picker depends on vue and webcam-video depends on lit and you write video-color-filter in LWC, your project now depends on three web component libraries.

Preact is like 3k minzipped. Just loading it will not make your app take twice as long to load.

How does "blaming the customer" help here?

It's not the first time that a standard doesn't fit the people it was created for...

Everyone is worse off for it. It may be that a spec/implementation does not exist which can satisfy these needs but it would be beneficial for all.