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Re:Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More Valued (2012) by skrebbel on Saturday September 26, 2020 @07:41AM (#24598017)
In all the places I've worked, every engineer knew there was another place where they'd likely earn significantly more. Yet, they didn't jump ship. These were not high turnaround places.

Either my experience is exceptional, or your implication that money is the only thing that matters about a job is wrong.

Re:Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More Valued (2012) by christophilus on Saturday September 26, 2020 @07:48AM (#24598051)
Yeah. I left a good salary behind and went 1/2 time for a super small company this year. Great decision. Money isn’t everything.
Re:Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More Valued (2012) by kkllkkllkk on Saturday September 26, 2020 @10:54AM (#24599282)
That's easy to say after having had a high paying position for a while, which would give you the opportunity to build some financial stability. Never having had any stability, money plays a much larger role.
Re:Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More Valued (2012) by iso947 on Saturday September 26, 2020 @12:35PM (#24600039)
There was a comment a few weeks ago about someone saying how money doesn’t matter - his family doesn’t care if his networth aged 40 was $2m or $20m.

Many people on HN, after a decade or so of amazon salaries, seem to have no concept of the real world.

Re:Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More Valued (2012) by christophilus on Sunday September 27, 2020 @08:54PM (#24611694)
Well, yes. It wouldn't have been a good decision for me 20 years ago. But it was a good decision this year. Context is important. Money is important, obviously. But once you have a certain level of stability in your life, other priorities begin to overtake it.
Re:Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More Valued (2012) by charwalker on Monday September 28, 2020 @01:05PM (#24618839)
At one place I've been, the engineers held this same view but would need to move somewhere far off or to the parent company across the country. Also, some might have jumped to more money only for the new employer to learn they aren't very good engineers. I was IT and often was setting up or resolving EE dev issues because they wrote code with a gui and didn't actually now how the hardware worked or connected to their PC reliably. Or it was all on the one offline XP laptop that dual boots to Win2000. They might have an $8k+ engineer dev station with secure VMs for Xp an 2k but still used the old laptop because it was familiar...
Re:Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More Valued (2012) by Shinotiy on Saturday September 26, 2020 @11:36AM (#24599557)
I always traded up.

I have the feeling, that i'm still having a similar amount of fun/happiness when i do my current job vs. my previous job but with more money.

More money means for me: less working later or nicer things now or faster/more stability & safety.

I have also seen enough people being afraid of quitting, people unable to quit, people who did not pull their weight, still complaining, still not quitting.

I have seen people not pulling their weight and being able to find a new/better job where they will still perform the same now just another company doesn't know what to do with them and just having them.

Re:Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More Valued (2012) by leetcrew on Saturday September 26, 2020 @01:48PM (#24600686)
money matters a lot until you have "enough". after that, it only matters as much as you decide. it's a lot easier to have a healthy relationship with work when the possibility of losing your job is no big deal. as a young person, having 2-3 years runway for your current lifestyle is pretty good. once you have this, it's no big deal to take a lower paying job for a few years. as you get close to the point where you want to retire, you want to have enough saved to maintain your lifestyle indefinitely. if you're already there, great!. if not, you gotta make up the difference real quick. you need about ten times as much money to maintain a lifestyle indefinitely as you do to maintain it for two years.

that said, I think a lot of young people have a poor understanding of how much saving early on can impact your retirement.

Re:Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More Valued (2012) by doopy1 on Saturday September 26, 2020 @06:47PM (#24602771)
Maybe you have worked at decent companies, but if someone is "meh" about their job, they will bounce before long.
Re:Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More Valued (2012) by skrebbel on Sunday September 27, 2020 @02:50AM (#24604745)
Yep, that was my entire point.