Re:Crows possess higher intelligence long thought a primaril...
by teucris on Thursday September 24, 2020 @06:47PM
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I agree with your post but it’s worth noting it does not apply to dolphins. Dolphins are not pacifists[0].
[0] http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20160204-cute-and-cuddly-dolp...
Re:Crows possess higher intelligence long thought a primaril...
by kyuudou on Friday September 25, 2020 @05:20PM
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They can be pretty brutal to sharks and themselves. Also on a more bizarre note they can get rather rape-y esp. on hallucinogens: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prmx0lYBTko
Re:Crows possess higher intelligence long thought a primaril...
by worldsayshi on Thursday September 24, 2020 @06:48PM
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I do not read that the previous poster meant that the superior one was morally superior. Only superior in terms of violent power.
You're not buying it but they're not selling it?
Re:Crows possess higher intelligence long thought a primaril...
by notahacker on Thursday September 24, 2020 @06:52PM
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The nets aren't a plot to subjugate the dolphins though; for the most part humans would rather not have dolphin bycatch. They're just something that dolphins haven't collectively figured out how to avoid.
Re:Crows possess higher intelligence long thought a primaril...
by jychang on Thursday September 24, 2020 @06:58PM
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That’s like saying humans aren’t intelligent because they can’t avoid car accidents in the rain.
Even if you were super intelligent, i bet you’d get fucked up in a net if you had low visibility in the water, you were traveling at high speed, and you didn’t have opposable thumbs to untangle yourself.
Re:Crows possess higher intelligence long thought a primaril...
by notahacker on Thursday September 24, 2020 @07:28PM
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If I was an sonar-equipped aquatic mammal that was also superintelligent, I'd expect generations of losses might have taught my civilization not to swim near boats.
(Unless we're positing that running the risk of being trawled is an essential part of mucking about and having fun, or a scientific experiment, or dolphins having enough imagination for some of them to speculate warnings about boats are a conspiracy to keep them from the best fish :D)
Re:Crows possess higher intelligence long thought a primaril...
by pilsetnieks on Thursday September 24, 2020 @07:40PM
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Boats go where your food is. Avoid boats and you'll have to avoid the most plentiful food sources. Either starve or run the risk that you might stumble upon a boat and someone from your group might get tangled.
Re:Crows possess higher intelligence long thought a primaril...
by jMyles on Thursday September 24, 2020 @08:37PM
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> humans aren’t intelligent because they can’t avoid car accidents in the rain
A reasonable exhibit one for the presently observable limits on (at least collective) human intelligence.
Re:Crows possess higher intelligence long thought a primaril...
by IggleSniggle on Thursday September 24, 2020 @07:10PM
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Where did anyone say anything about superiority? If anything, the implication is that the humans are stupid for not mucking about and having a good time, and that even though the dolphins may be “superior” in this regard, it’s a race to the bottom since the more violent species wipes out the fun-loving one.
I don't necessarily buy it. A pacifist civilization might be "dominated" by a violent civilization, but they might still choose death over becoming violent themselves.