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Re:China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet by sandworm101 on Tuesday September 22, 2020 @12:28PM (#24556505)
>> if you go back far enough we all have a great^N parent who was in this situation.

'Everyone is a victim' is a cop out. The fact that some ancestor of mine was probably conquered by vikings doesn't mean that I shouldn't criticize china for doing the same thing today. Nor do I feel like a conqueror because some other ancestor was one of those vikings. Look to the deep past for lessons. Don't point to the deep past as justification for horrible actions today.

Re:China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet by heavenlyblue on Tuesday September 22, 2020 @12:39PM (#24556649)
The fact that you criticise someone doesn’t make you right though.

It’s just a fact that every single empire in history ended up with a society which hated the conquests only to be conquered by another, less ethically-concerned nation.

It’s easy to judge when you are in a privileged position, however the reason you do that is because you already made someone else pay the price of the externalities of your champagne pacifism.

Basically you have this ethical idea that war is bad, but you provide no solution as to how to make today’s poor people reach the same level of education and plenty without giving them the means to conquer you politically, economically or by the means of warfare.

Re:China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet by richiebful1 on Tuesday September 22, 2020 @01:35PM (#24557458)
Can you explain how conquest is necessary for people to come out of poverty?
Re:China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet by heavenlyblue on Tuesday September 22, 2020 @02:58PM (#24558442)
Conquest is necessary because if you take a conservative opinion that you should expect from the world what it currently gives you; and what it currently gives you is that a small minority of the world’s population lives semi-happily in the western countries; then the only way for the poorer countries to get on the same level of salaries is to take away those salaries from the west and make west the third world instead.

Every other argument you make is akin to a “what if”. I am speaking about how it _currently_ is.

Re:China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet by godelski on Tuesday September 22, 2020 @01:43PM (#24557562)
Just because something is common doesn't make it right either.
Re:China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet by jtdev on Tuesday September 22, 2020 @12:31PM (#24556547)
Not to mention, China can’t seem to stop at simply owning the land, they want to wipe these regions and people of their culture and heritage.
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Re:China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet by dang on Tuesday September 22, 2020 @01:48PM (#24557636)
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Re:China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet by ddoolin on Tuesday September 22, 2020 @12:39PM (#24556647)
I don't know why you're getting downvoted, there is some evidence to suggest this, such as reports of them sending Han men to replace Uighur men in their homes after they've been sent to prison camps.
Re:China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet by chillacy on Tuesday September 22, 2020 @10:43PM (#24562421)
Sure, we can criticize, but just keep in mind cycles of criticism and acceptance are the norm in the past. That many of us have forgotten the outrage and moved to acceptance is only further demonstration of this pattern.

Will the future be different? Maybe.. technology (especially communications tech) might be the thing that lets us break the cycle.