China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

Re:China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet by dahdum on Tuesday September 22, 2020 @12:10PM (#24556237)

US policy has been moving towards energy independence from Bush, Obama, and through Trump. We're pretty much there now, OPEC can't drive up prices without US shale producers ramping up production, sharply limiting their control.

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Re:China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet by eternalban on Tuesday September 22, 2020 @12:29PM (#24556508)

Our arrangements with the House of Saud include the extremely sensitive matter of reserve status of US Dollar. Control over Persian Gulf — a matter that includes other parties not included in the US-Saudi strategic agreements — is energy related: it is not USA who is dependent on Persian Gulf energy, but near peer challengers, such as China, Japan, and possibly EU.

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Re:China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet by sitkack on Tuesday September 22, 2020 @12:31PM (#24556546)

Jimmy Carter would like a word with you.

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Re:China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet by yowlingcat on Tuesday September 22, 2020 @12:37PM (#24556620)

What would those words be?

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Re:China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet by sitkack on Tuesday September 22, 2020 @09:03PM (#24561871)

https://www.masterresource.org/carter-jimmy/jimmy-carter-was...

https://foreignpolicy.com/2012/01/03/energy-independence-a-s...

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Re:China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet by yowlingcat on Tuesday September 22, 2020 @10:33PM (#24562370)

Thanks for the context. I think the second one explains what you're trying to say better.

I think one can agree with the spirit of Carter's message while remaining skeptical of how practically it's stood the test of time. Unless I'm misunderstanding you, doesn't the last line of your second article seems to agree with GP's point? Can you describe what you're trying to say in more detail?

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Re:China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet by sitkack on Wednesday September 23, 2020 @12:09PM (#24568615)

Those words would be that Carter was a leader who was looking for the American people. Regan reversed Carter's actions, got us more dependent on foreign oil, deepened our relationship with the Saudis. Rolled back efficiency standards and as a show of arrogant bravado, removed the solar panels that Carter had installed on the Whitehouse. Not sure what Bush the GP was referring to, but what kind of revisionism claims that either Bush moved us towards energy independence.

It is important to recognize how we got into this mess and who the literal and figurative actors are.

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Re:China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet by cma on Tuesday September 22, 2020 @12:35PM (#24556595)

The US is essentially part of OPEC now already. They legally can't be without going through congress, so they just called it OPEC+.

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Re:China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet by adventured on Tuesday September 22, 2020 @12:50PM (#24556820)

In OPEC+, the plus is for Russia, not the US. Russia has been directly coordinating with OPEC on market supply matters.

The US oil producers don't coordinate well with OPEC. It has been an ongoing problem that OPEC has been endlessly complaining about for many years.

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Re:China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet by cma on Thursday September 24, 2020 @11:38AM (#24579631)

Ah, I guess I misread that. Some article talked about how we were able to coordinate on the reduction even though congress had some moratorium on negotiating with OPEC, and I thought it was through that technicality and that OPEC+ was created specifically to work around it.

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