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Re:U.S. Adult Obesity Rate Tops 42 Percent; Highest Ever Rec... by mc32 on Thursday September 17, 2020 @01:58PM (#24507824)
I kind of understand the backlash against the skinny-chic look foisted upon people by the baddies in the fashion industry, but now there’s an equally bad movement which kind of says “it’s cool to be overweight, don’t sweat it, this is how we are”. Yes, true, for some people there is little recourse, their physiology is such, but a majority could become healthier with a better lifestyle choice.
Re:U.S. Adult Obesity Rate Tops 42 Percent; Highest Ever Rec... by tonyedgecombe on Thursday September 17, 2020 @02:15PM (#24508071)
a majority could become healthier with a better lifestyle choice.

When such a large portion of the population is overweight it tends to indicate a systemic problem rather than one of individual choice.

Re:U.S. Adult Obesity Rate Tops 42 Percent; Highest Ever Rec... by mc32 on Thursday September 17, 2020 @02:18PM (#24508105)
I agree with you, one of the contributors to the systemic problem is fashion (and by extension all media, print, digital, video, etc.)

My point here though is that it’s only a minority who “can’t help it, they were born that way”. Most would be able to overcome this issue if the dynamics were different.

Re:U.S. Adult Obesity Rate Tops 42 Percent; Highest Ever Rec... by thinkharderdev on Thursday September 17, 2020 @02:47PM (#24508454)
I don't think that is true. Part of the problem is that once you are obese then it's already kind of game over. There seems to be a pretty strong consensus that losing large amounts of weight is extremely hard and even when it does happen, people tend to eventually gain it all back.

I see the body positivity movement as just trying to reconcile that reality. If you are already obese then you might as well try and find a way to live a happy life because you are probably never going to be slender again.

Re:U.S. Adult Obesity Rate Tops 42 Percent; Highest Ever Rec... by kyleee on Thursday September 17, 2020 @02:58PM (#24508563)
On the other hand that may be a deeply defeatist attitude and could further decrease chance of recovery
Re:U.S. Adult Obesity Rate Tops 42 Percent; Highest Ever Rec... by tonyedgecombe on Friday September 18, 2020 @02:31AM (#24513571)
You just have to look at the statistics to see it's more about being realistic than defeatist.
Re:U.S. Adult Obesity Rate Tops 42 Percent; Highest Ever Rec... by itsoktocry on Thursday September 17, 2020 @02:09PM (#24507964)
>I kind of understand the backlash against skinny-chic foisted upon people by the baddies in the fashion industry

This is a weird trope. Most models are selected to be slender so they can, basically, simulate a clothes rack. No curves to draw attention!

I'm not sure the fashion industry is telling anyone this is ideal. I can't remember, in my lifetime, when skinny models were ever really looked at by society-at-large as the "right" body type. They were always seen as "skinny models". Of course there are people with all sorts of preferences, but the most celebrated models of my youth (say, Heidi Klum or Tara Banks) were relatively fit as opposed to withering.

On the other hand, many people (both men and women) end up with eating disorders trying to reach this "ideal".

Re:U.S. Adult Obesity Rate Tops 42 Percent; Highest Ever Rec... by vmception on Thursday September 17, 2020 @03:25PM (#24508851)
Everything you mentioned was accurate.

But we do have to recognize the effects that are also had on people, your last sentence is a heavier weighting than your perception.

People have not been capable of separating an industry ideal from a non-industry related attractiveness ideal.

Individuals know what they like, visually and sexually. Individuals are also aware of what the seeming consensus of "should like" is, visually and sexually. Simple put, people know when other people are considered hot and what that looks like.