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Re:Smoke has caused temperature forecasts to go crazy by xapata on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @09:17AM (#24480842)
Coal smoke in that case, not wood smoke. Coal is a terrible pollutant. If you survive the wood smoke, the literature suggests you'll be back to normal in a couple weeks.
Re:Smoke has caused temperature forecasts to go crazy by CydeWeys on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @10:08AM (#24481327)
Source? What makes combustion particulates from coal substantially worse than combustion particulates from wood?
Re:Smoke has caused temperature forecasts to go crazy by refurb on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @11:21AM (#24482210)
Wood is made of complex carbohydrates (lignins). The worst thing you’ll get in the smoke is carbon particles and maybe a small amount of aromatic hydrocarbons like benzene.

Coal is made of up of a mixture of aromatic hydrocarbons like a anthracene, naphthalene. These are already toxic to humans. Add metals like mercury, antimony, etc.

Coal smoke is much worse than wood smoke.

Re:Smoke has caused temperature forecasts to go crazy by tdy721 on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @10:39AM (#24481685)
Sulfur is a big one. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal

Leading to, for example, acid rain.

Also just a guess, coal is a finer particulate matter than wood, I think that might give more particles off. Wood dust, nope, coal dust? Hell no. Also radioactive!

Re:Smoke has caused temperature forecasts to go crazy by Verdex on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @10:12AM (#24481363)
Coal can have radioactive materials inside of it. There's radioactive carbon (c14) and it looks like also a bunch of more concerning materials.

[] - https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/coal-ash-is-more-....

Re:Smoke has caused temperature forecasts to go crazy by cyphar on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @10:28AM (#24481550)
Regarding carbon-14, there is so little of it that it makes no sense to even think about it (about 1 in 10^12 atoms). In addition, all biological matter (including you and the food you eat) has carbon-14 present in it -- that's the basic principle behind carbon dating. In fact, ash from wood burning would probably have more carbon-14 if anything.

But yes, the article you linked talks about trace amounts of uranium and other materials that actually could be harmful.

Re:Smoke has caused temperature forecasts to go crazy by spqr0a1 on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @10:36AM (#24481643)
The half life of C-14 is much shorter than geologic formation time for coal. Coal's radioactivity is due to primordial nuclides and their decay chains.
Re:Smoke has caused temperature forecasts to go crazy by shard on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @06:35PM (#24487520)
How does the radioactivity from coal compare with the radioactivity from bananas?
Re:Smoke has caused temperature forecasts to go crazy by xapata on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @10:49AM (#24481803)
> Source?

This one is easy to research. I'm not trying to convince you of anything, just being helpful.

Re:Smoke has caused temperature forecasts to go crazy by floor2 on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @02:05PM (#24484474)
Spreading dangerous misinformation is not helpful, and you are trying to convince them of something- namely that this air pollution is no big deal.

PM2.5 pollution, even at levels far lower than being seen now, is associated with literally hundreds of negative outcomes- lower IQ, worse test scores in standardized tests, more depression, worse ADHD, more asthma, more cancers (of both the lungs and other body parts), emphysema, as well as a whole host of issues related to full-body inflammation (ranging from auto-immune disorders to digestive problems).

Re:Smoke has caused temperature forecasts to go crazy by xapata on Thursday September 17, 2020 @12:58AM (#24501330)
I didn't say, "No big deal." I am aware of the danger. Thus, "if you survive."

The issues you're describing are studied after what I'd say is long term exposure. So far it's less than a week. A person with healthy lungs and no related problems will be back to normal if this ceases in a relatively short time. Of course, that doesn't mean we should relax about smoke season becoming a month-long annual event.

They say dosage makes the poison, but duration is important, too.

Re:Smoke has caused temperature forecasts to go crazy by robocat on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @05:00PM (#24486652)
I would make the educated guess that the reason wood smoke is OK is because we have thousands of years of evolution to be more tolerant of wood smoke.
Re:Smoke has caused temperature forecasts to go crazy by anonAndOn on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @06:11PM (#24487327)
You would hope, but no. Wood smoke is still deadly.[0]

[0]https://www.stoveteam.org/why-stoves

Re:Smoke has caused temperature forecasts to go crazy by robocat on Wednesday September 16, 2020 @06:26PM (#24498740)
“more tolerant” is what I said. Evolution is mostly a slow process and can never reach perfection.

An evolutionary force that is too strong just kills a species.

Re:Smoke has caused temperature forecasts to go crazy by samatman on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @06:11PM (#24487330)
Close to a million years by the best guess.

Which is thousands of years... about a thousand such thousands.

Re:Smoke has caused temperature forecasts to go crazy by laurencerowe on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @11:37AM (#24482458)
Doesn’t coal burn more cleanly than wood?

Edit: I was probably thinking of smokeless coal which is processed to burn more cleanly.

Re:Smoke has caused temperature forecasts to go crazy by jcranmer on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @11:48AM (#24482622)
It depends on the grade of coal. If you're burning anthracite, yes. If you're burning lignite... no.
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Re:Smoke has caused temperature forecasts to go crazy by xapata on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @10:50AM (#24481825)
No, that's not the takeaway. I wear my N95 outside, run my air filter inside, and avoid strenuous activity. However, there's no need to panic if you get a cough from the smoke.

Don't exaggerate my statement.

Re:Smoke has caused temperature forecasts to go crazy by Retric on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @11:21AM (#24482207)
Wood smoke kills around 2 million people a year, though that generally takes long term exposure.

So, while you’re not incorrect that individual wildfires are not a major concern, living in places where such exposure is common is a significant issue.

Re:Smoke has caused temperature forecasts to go crazy by DoofusOfDeath on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @02:13PM (#24484601)
I've never heard this number, but I find it really interesting. If you remember where you got this number, could you please share a link?
Re:Smoke has caused temperature forecasts to go crazy by njarboe on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @02:47PM (#24485117)
It is probably because a billion? people still use open wood fires indoors with poor ventilation. Visualize a fire in the middle of a hut with a pot on it and a small hole in the ceiling. AQI in that hut is going to be very bad. Creating systems where people can afford to use propane or other gas stoves are a huge win for the health of humanity and ecosystems.
Re:Smoke has caused temperature forecasts to go crazy by formerly_proven on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @02:54PM (#24485246)
Die drei Plagen des Bauern: Hausrauch, ein undichtes Dach und eine untreue Frau

> The three plagues of the farmer: household smoke, a leaky roof and an unfaithful wife

Supposedly an old saying, but almost certainly retcon. Not necessarily wrong though, look at houses a few hundred years ago, that sort of thing is still ubiquitous in the developing and pre-developing world.

Re:Smoke has caused temperature forecasts to go crazy by Mc_Big_G on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @10:57AM (#24481892)
It's not the wood I'm worried about, it's all the non-organic material in the smoke. Plastic, household chemicals, paint, etc... In some years we'll see a massive spike in cancer and respiratory issues from these fires.
Re:Smoke has caused temperature forecasts to go crazy by beefalo on Tuesday September 15, 2020 @12:07PM (#24482897)
I doubt there is a significant enough amount of those materials being burned. Millions of acres of forest has burned compared to relatively few buildings.