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Re:Zoom towns and the new housing market for the two Americas by alex_g on Saturday September 12, 2020 @02:40PM (#24454433)
"Many Americans — especially 30-somethings who remain employed — are ditching their tiny rental apartments in hip districts of expensive cities and moving to buy houses in more affordable cities or the burbs for a life of shopping at Home Depot and spending their Friday nights eating mozzarella sticks at Applebee's."

oof, that's a savage take for NPR.

Re:Zoom towns and the new housing market for the two Americas by almost_usual on Saturday September 12, 2020 @02:42PM (#24454449)
Who cares about NPR elitism. Why shame people for doing what they want.

Hell, the Buffalo Wild Wings in Daly City has a more diverse crowd than any bar or restaurant in SF.

Re:Zoom towns and the new housing market for the two Americas by throwanem on Saturday September 12, 2020 @02:52PM (#24454528)
Better mozzarella sticks, too, not that that's a high bar. It's not an accident they called out Applebee's by name. They knew what they were doing.
Re:Zoom towns and the new housing market for the two Americas by lotsofpulp on Sunday September 13, 2020 @01:37AM (#24458645)
Buffalo Wild Wings followed the same pattern as any other rapidly expanding chain - start with an okay product, get name recognition, expand quickly with excessive financing, and then cut costs (and hence quality) while milking the brand's original reputation.

I'm sure a few people cashed out along the way.

Re:Zoom towns and the new housing market for the two Americas by katzgrau on Saturday September 12, 2020 @02:59PM (#24454583)
Honestly, BWW had the best tap lineup in my area for a long time, which has no shortage of trendy bars.
Re:Zoom towns and the new housing market for the two Americas by rconti on Saturday September 12, 2020 @03:17PM (#24454756)
The first time I walked into a BWW (maybe 10 or 15 years ago) my eyes opened wide when I saw all the taps.

My excitement wore off when I realized that it was literally all budweiser products and most of them had the exact same thing.

Re:Zoom towns and the new housing market for the two Americas by katzgrau on Saturday September 12, 2020 @09:37PM (#24457471)
Ah yea. Good beers took a while to come to my area (maybe 5-10 years ago). I'm guessing other parts of the country might have been a little different, especially as Big Beer tried to catch the craft wave and smaller breweries didn't have any distribution yet. Maybe it's different now in most areas (hopefully)
Re:Zoom towns and the new housing market for the two Americas by hamandcheese on Saturday September 12, 2020 @02:59PM (#24454588)
I live(d?) in SF and would on occasion rent a car just to drive to Buffalo Wild Wings :)
Re:Zoom towns and the new housing market for the two Americas by mire_rustling on Saturday September 12, 2020 @02:49PM (#24454508)
Too true.
Re:Zoom towns and the new housing market for the two Americas by OzzyB on Saturday September 12, 2020 @02:59PM (#24454584)
...for a life of shopping at Home Depot and spending their Friday nights eating mozzarella sticks at Applebee's, with their families.

I added that bit.

Funny, they always seem to forget about family, even when talking about 30-somethings from hip rental apartments.

Re:Zoom towns and the new housing market for the two Americas by Barrin92 on Saturday September 12, 2020 @03:22PM (#24454804)
replacing a wide and healthy social net with the family is probably one of the largest cultural diseases of American life of the last few decades

In a less abstract sense, roughly 50% of my close friends who did the the whole "move to the burbs, ditch the social life, start a family" and who seemed to go missing for years are now divorced. Roughly in line with the statistics I suppose.

I'd go as far as saying that in the majority of cases when people in their 20s or 30s do this it's some sort of mix of social pressure and biological clock panic than an actual authentic decision.

Re:Zoom towns and the new housing market for the two Americas by chrisco255 on Saturday September 12, 2020 @04:51PM (#24455550)
The number of friends you can count on as much as family is abysmally small. How many of your wide social net friends will be there for you in old age? Often times just a little move or a job change is enough to completely shake up your friend group, but family is a constant. That constancy is crucial for a fulfilling life.
Re:Zoom towns and the new housing market for the two Americas by Barrin92 on Saturday September 12, 2020 @05:28PM (#24455923)
>The number of friends you can count on as much as family is abysmally small. How many of your wide social net friends will be there for you in old age?

I personally hopefully a lot because I pay a lot of attention to cultivate them. My grandparents throughout their entire life had a rich social life up until the very end with friendships lasting decades, they even lived entirely autonomously in a cooperative community for the elderly.

It's my parents, who are now 60-ish, who have no friends. Because unlike my grandparents they grew up in what was peak nuclear family era. I'm not repeating that mistake and it's pretty sad that people here don't even seem to be able to imagine authentic communal life.

Re:Zoom towns and the new housing market for the two Americas by toomuchtodo on Saturday September 12, 2020 @04:49PM (#24455534)
> “A wide and healthy social net”

On the contrary, we’ve never been more lonely and distant as a society. Family gives you a chance of a more permanent safety net and nuclear community. Friends and community are important, but today’s version of these things appears flimsy at best.

https://today.yougov.com/topics/lifestyle/articles-reports/2...

https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2019/8/1/20750047/mil...

https://www.hrsa.gov/enews/past-issues/2019/january-17/lonel...

Re:Zoom towns and the new housing market for the two Americas by Barrin92 on Saturday September 12, 2020 @05:25PM (#24455889)
>On the contrary, we’ve never been more lonely and distant as a society.

yes, because all communal institutions have been disbanded before millennials were even born, that was the point?

Millenials are lonely because they're the offspring of what was the peak of the nuclear family generation. They're growing up without any communal connection, increasingly without religious communities, Gen Z probably doesn't even have military experience and has largely replaced physical with digital connections and seems to be even more isolated than Millenials.

The nuclear family isn't safety but the last escape hatch in the absence of institutions that should enrich people's personal life beyond the family.

Re:Zoom towns and the new housing market for the two Americas by chrisco255 on Saturday September 12, 2020 @05:33PM (#24455972)
That's weird because the nuclear family is as old as civilization and the idea of wide social nets that span long distances is relatively new. For vast majority of human history we lived in small tribes and then the family became the tribe to belong to within a civilization. Virtually any institution you could point to is less than a few generations from being mainstream meanwhile family is timeless. I get that some people come from dysfunctional families but that does not discount the rule that by and large they are the strongest source of emotional support and stability. And really, as I've gotten older I've come to appreciate that more and more.
Re:Zoom towns and the new housing market for the two Americas by Barrin92 on Saturday September 12, 2020 @06:02PM (#24456255)
This isn't actually true at all. The extended family is the historically most long lasting form of organisation, people banding together in communities of about 100-150 people, sharing responsibility and living in multi-generational environments.

This was the case until very recently in fact. The nuclear family is largely an abberation brought on by the commercialisation of what used to be the job of a village. David Brooks wrote an excellent piece on the development (in the US in particular) not long ago:

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/03/the-nuc...

The dysfunction you're speaking about is actually a result of that very same dynamic. Largely affluent upper-middle classes have replaced the extended family with professional services and shrunk the family unit down. It's poor people and minority communities who, lacking those resources, have suffered the most from the breakdown of the extended family.

Re:Zoom towns and the new housing market for the two Americas by aneesh297 on Saturday September 12, 2020 @08:09PM (#24457047)
The "nuclear family" is an extremely modern concept.The extended family is what is old as civilization itself.Sure, nuclear families existed 5000 years ago. But, it was far more common to live with your extended family.
Re:Zoom towns and the new housing market for the two Americas by katzgrau on Saturday September 12, 2020 @02:57PM (#24454571)
I went to an Applebee's for the first time in 10 years recently and I... liked it. I swore it off as an uppity 20-something.

That said, I've been living in a fairly urban 'burb with a nice downtown for almost 10 years. It's nice to actually have space to park a couple of cars and hang in your backyard amid some level of quiet.

My personal experience is that when you're younger, city life has its charms. When you find yourself full-on adulting with kids, the burbs (and Applebee's) actually sound pretty nice.

Re:Zoom towns and the new housing market for the two Americas by elicash on Saturday September 12, 2020 @03:02PM (#24454604)
Mozz-eater who frequents Home Depot checking in. I thought it was funny.
Re:Zoom towns and the new housing market for the two Americas by jdhn on Saturday September 12, 2020 @08:02PM (#24457001)
I like shopping at Home Depot and feel mildly attacked by this.
Re:Zoom towns and the new housing market for the two Americas by jessaustin on Saturday September 12, 2020 @08:08PM (#24457035)
...spending their Friday nights eating mozzarella sticks at Applebee's.

One won't be surprised by the spike in suicides a few years later...