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Re:Tim Sweeney on Apple and Google by ginko on Friday September 11, 2020 @08:09AM (#24441798)
>There could be two exit points from the review process. One would be for apps that don’t want to be on the App Store. They could be cleared as free from malware, egregious behaviour, etc. and allowed to be installed through any independent means.

I don't see how such a review process would work for free software. The user should be free to run whatever software they wish on their own device.

Re:Tim Sweeney on Apple and Google by Retric on Friday September 11, 2020 @08:25AM (#24441937)
The review process what makes iOS so useful. People can install random software in a way you can’t safely do on Windows. Sure power users might not notice the difference, but people feel safe hand their phones/tablets to little kids and let them install random games.

Scaling that review process across every update either means everyone pays a percentage which hurts large business or everyone pays a significant fee which hurts independent developers and discourages bug fixes.

Re:Tim Sweeney on Apple and Google by madeofpalk on Friday September 11, 2020 @09:34AM (#24442608)
Really? How much of this comes from manual reviewing and not sandboxing and technical security policy of iOS?
Re:Tim Sweeney on Apple and Google by Retric on Friday September 11, 2020 @11:26AM (#24443815)
iOS’s current sandboxing model is heavily dependent on the review process. It’s arguable what could be achieved in theory if they where going to let arbitrary apps be installed, but right now iOS on it’s own is simply inadequate.
Re:Tim Sweeney on Apple and Google by romanoderoma on Friday September 11, 2020 @10:30AM (#24443221)
> The review process what makes iOS so useful. People can install random software in a way you can’t safely do on Windows

Counter opinion

Billions of devices are scanned everyday thanks to specialized software that do it locally

They are called anti virus (also check for malware, trojan, backdoor, rootkit etc. etc.)

Re:Tim Sweeney on Apple and Google by nemothekid on Friday September 11, 2020 @10:55AM (#24443488)
>They are called anti virus (also check for malware, trojan, backdoor, rootkit etc. etc.)

1. And most anti-virus are considered a scam by most people

2. Apps that make egregious use of device APIs to implement tracking won't be flagged as a virus.

Re:Tim Sweeney on Apple and Google by romanoderoma on Saturday September 12, 2020 @08:59AM (#24452078)
> 1. And most anti-virus are considered a scam by most people

Many people consider iPhone prices a scam

and yet...

> 2. Apps that make egregious use of device APIs to implement tracking won't be flagged as a virus.

That's true for the iPhone as well

Apple itself track its users.

from a news report in the Washington Post

> Apple says, “What happens on your iPhone stays on your iPhone.” Our privacy experiment showed 5,400 hidden app trackers guzzled our data — in a single week

The point was that the check could be implemented by third party software on the device or by a software specifically crafted by the publishers, you don't need the Apple check, which is also very opaque.

Re:Tim Sweeney on Apple and Google by Retric on Friday September 11, 2020 @10:50AM (#24443433)
You can do incredible amounts of harm to your PC without installing a virus. Ironically installing every virus scanning software at the same time results in massive issues.
Re:Tim Sweeney on Apple and Google by romanoderoma on Saturday September 12, 2020 @09:01AM (#24452093)
> Ironically installing every virus scanning software at the same time results in massive issues.

That's both fun and saddening, and also true

But I have to say that Apple store policies results in massive issues as well

The illusion of choice is more dangerous than too much freedom.

Re:Tim Sweeney on Apple and Google by rusticpenn on Friday September 11, 2020 @08:47AM (#24442151)
This is the main reason why I had to move my parents from android to IOS. The free apks were ruining their experience and my work/support/life balance.