Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

Re:Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on Se... by 52-6F-62 on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @01:40PM (#24423567)

> Certainly, for public opinion, it means you now have to "tow the line", no protesting allowed. If you dare challenge us, we WILL REMOVE YOU.

Isn't that how all private companies work? If you walk into a mom-and-pop corner shop with no "shoes or shirt" you'll be removed as well—whether or not you think it's some kind of righteous protest.

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Re:Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on Se... by paulryanrogers on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @01:48PM (#24423687)

Those kinds of rules are for pubic health reasons. If you serve the public then you can't discriminate against protected classes. Though it may be legal to refuse service for other arbitrary reasons.

When I worked in retail and scouted prices at the completion they would ask me to leave the store.

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Re:Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on Se... by 52-6F-62 on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @01:54PM (#24423752)

Your example is definitely better.

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Re:Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on Se... by bogwog on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @02:19PM (#24424030)

Getting kicked out of a mom and pop shop isn’t going to end my business. Apple has the power to create a visible spike in the world’s unemployment graphs whenever they want. When a company gets that big, it needs to be heavily regulated and scrutinized.

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Re:Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on Se... by 52-6F-62 on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @02:41PM (#24424254)

> Getting kicked out of a mom and pop shop isn’t going to end my business.

And it would be a poor business model if it were capable of ending your business, no?

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Re:Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on Se... by bogwog on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @02:52PM (#24424389)

Are you saying that the entire mobile app business is built on a flawed business model? How do you build a mobile app business that can survive being blacklisted by Apple and Google?

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Re:Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on Se... by 52-6F-62 on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @04:40PM (#24425677)

I didn't say that, no.

And I didn't think Google was involved here?

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Re:Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on Se... by bogwog on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @05:52PM (#24426356)

Google is totally involved. They aren’t as egregious about it as Apple, but they are equally guilty of stomping out competition. If you get blacklisted from Google Play, you’re basically done. Your cost for acquiring new users just skyrocketed because you now have to somehow educate people on how to enable “unknown sources”, convince them to ignore all of the incessant scary warnings about malware, etc. on top of your regular advertising costs. Unless your main demographic is computer geeks, there’s no way to succeed.

Not to mention that if you DO manage to build a successful competitor to GPlay, you’ll have to worry about Google’s “white hat” hit squad at Project Zero.

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Re:Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on Se... by 52-6F-62 on Thursday September 10, 2020 @01:47PM (#24434731)

Google is involved in Epic's dispute with Apple? I'm sorry, but I haven't seen that anywhere. Could you clarify?

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Re:Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on Se... by bogwog on Friday September 11, 2020 @09:02AM (#24442293)

https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/13/21368363/epic-google-fort...

Epic is suing Google at the same time for the same reason as Apple. Maybe they're not "involved" if you mean that Apple and Google are colluding against Epic, but they're both the subjects of the same discussion.

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Re:Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on Se... by 52-6F-62 on Friday September 11, 2020 @10:14AM (#24443063)

How can it be for the same reason? Google allows side-loading and third-party app stores.

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Re:Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on Se... by bogwog on Friday September 11, 2020 @12:24PM (#24444406)

Read the article.

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Re:Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on Se... by ntsplnkv2 on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @02:30PM (#24424136)

Losing sign in with apple shouldn't end any competent business either.

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Re:Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on Se... by markus_zhang on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @02:58PM (#24424488)

You can't remove them for whatever reason you put up. I won't give examples but for sure the public has to believe that the reason is reasonable enough. As for now the opinion is divided, some believe Apple is reasonable and some think not. It's interesting to see where it goes. As a customer I prefer to see Epic win this time although I'm sure EPic will do the same in Apple's shoes.

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Re:Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on Se... by duhi88 on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @01:53PM (#24423748)

If your business relies on your ability to walk in into a store with your shirt off and a mom-and-pop shop denies you access, you can look for one of their competitors. If all the mom-and-pop shops decide have a "no shirt, no service" policy, that rule probably exists for a reason (its a form of democracy).

I don't really care about Epic's stake in the matter; they are clearly making plenty of money. A smaller company with a different idea that treads the line with their in-app-purchases would be in a tough place.

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Re:Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on Se... by pjmlp on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @01:55PM (#24423766)

Android, Jolla, Purism,....

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