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Re:Raspberry Pi 3B+ Hackable Linux Handheld by mywittyname on Monday September 07, 2020 @12:18PM (#24400434)
I love the idea of this, but some time definitely needs to be invested in reducing costs. $340 for a plastic housing and some screws? That's ludicrous.

I bet you could CNC some injection molds the cost of 2-3 of these chassis. If someone could do that and sell the housing for ~$30 each, this would be an impressive piece of kit.

Re:Raspberry Pi 3B+ Hackable Linux Handheld by conk on Monday September 07, 2020 @12:43PM (#24400631)
You are significantly underestimating the cost of producing molds. You could easily hit $100k for molds made in the USA, $10-20k made in China. That’s also assuming you get the molds right the first time and don’t have to go back and make new ones. Plus there is the setup and minimum production runs, you need a fairly large demand to make producing these viable. 2-3 of these ($680-$1020) doesn’t cover cost just to modify the design to work for injection molding.
Re:Raspberry Pi 3B+ Hackable Linux Handheld by bfieidhbrjr on Monday September 07, 2020 @12:45PM (#24400649)
I've found the same thing. Dumb question, why is the cost so high? Is it people costs or what?
Re:Raspberry Pi 3B+ Hackable Linux Handheld by analog31 on Monday September 07, 2020 @01:18PM (#24400877)
I've worked in the molding industry. First, the mold has to be designed. This involves planning for the flow of molten plastic through the passages and cavity of the mold, venting of air, often re-design of the part so it can be effectively molded, etc. Shrinkage as the part cools affects how multiple parts fit together. That's huge for consumer products. There's CAD software for doing this, but it still requires an expert to know how to use it.

Second, the mold itself is made of a very hard steel, though there are cheaper "soft tooling" materials for making lower quantities before the tool is worn out. The special steel may require special machining processes. The tool also has a variety of moving parts such as ejector pins and other mechanisms if the part is not shaped to be ejected cleanly.

If the mold comes from low-cost supplier, there's the added cost of reworking it in order to iron out minor problems. I spoke to one tool-and-die machinist who told me most of his income came from repairing cheap molds.

If you save on the mold, you often pay more for the pieces due to scrappage, difficulties setting up the molding machine, or the short lifespan of the mold.

Right now I work in a business that makes expensive high-tech equipment, so we can afford to eat the cost of making expensive parts from expensive molds.

For prototype quantities, we tend to prefer things like folded sheet metal, CNC, and even small aluminum castings with secondary machining processes. In that milieu, the cost of 3d printing is actually quite competitive. I just got some pieces costing about 1000 bucks each, but they were delivered to my doorstep a few days after being designed.

Also: Something I've learned is that everything I know might be wrong tomorrow. Every manufacturing process is being steadily improved, and a process that you wrote off as being too expensive might have suddenly become cheap for reasons you're not aware of. Always ask.

Re:Raspberry Pi 3B+ Hackable Linux Handheld by bfieidhbrjr on Monday September 07, 2020 @03:26PM (#24401952)
Thanks. I find this whole area fascinating. It feels like if there was a way to make molded parts cheaper it would open up a large gulf in between "$300 3d printer" and "$15k for one mold and BTW you need 5 molds for your thing".

I do a lot of 3d printing but have run in to the limits quite a few times where I want something bigger than my print volume allows, or I want something water proof, or food safe, or I want something transparent (which can also be used outside), or I want it smoother...

resin printing or finding someone with a big printer... these things help sometimes.

Another trick I have yet to succeed at is using some existing plastic part, or transparent plastic from a soda bottle... Repurposing for these edge cases.

Re:Raspberry Pi 3B+ Hackable Linux Handheld by analog31 on Monday September 07, 2020 @05:55PM (#24403276)
Memorize the McMaster-Carr catalog, which is like the Python Package Index of mechanical things. ;-)
Re:Raspberry Pi 3B+ Hackable Linux Handheld by cfraenkel on Monday September 07, 2020 @01:11PM (#24400820)
To make enough shots for a low unit cost, the mold has to be made of very hard steel. So that takes a long time on a very expensive cnc. If you make it out of softer material to make the mold less expensive (ie aluminum), you only get ~100s shots or so. Good enough for testing / beta runs, but not enough to amortize the engineering & cnc costs.
Re:Raspberry Pi 3B+ Hackable Linux Handheld by icegreentea2 on Monday September 07, 2020 @03:02PM (#24401736)
Prototype tooling can sometimes (depends on your part obviously) get you up to the 1-10k range of shots now. At that range, it can be sufficient for certain types of product runs.
Re:Raspberry Pi 3B+ Hackable Linux Handheld by GordonS on Monday September 07, 2020 @12:37PM (#24400583)
$340 is more than the cost of the rest of the BOM, and it feels kind of crazy that the plastic housing would cost more than the electronics.

I get that the parts are 3D printed, but are they being printed on-demand or something? I wonder if the 3D printing files have been open sourced - would be interesting to hear from a 3D printing enthusiast here about the costs (it's HN, there's bound to be many!).

Re:Raspberry Pi 3B+ Hackable Linux Handheld by iso1631 on Monday September 07, 2020 @12:50PM (#24400686)
stl files are linked in a zip at the bottom. I've never touched a 3D printer before so I don't know what you do with them, the online 2d printers I see want me to create an account to generate a quote which seems tedious.
Re:Raspberry Pi 3B+ Hackable Linux Handheld by rcar on Monday September 07, 2020 @01:02PM (#24400769)
STL files are the 3D models that you put into your slicer of choice (which converts the project into the thin layers that the printer will gradually put down).

There's a dozen things to print in the zip. I sliced 3-4 of them, and none seemed particularly heavy. Something like $0.50 of filament each for what I pay for PLA, which would put the whole thing at ~$6 of material. Perhaps the cost is being driven by some sort of print-on-demand costs?

FWIW, you could also buy an Ender 3 for ~$200, and $140 buys a lot of filament, so you could get into the 3D printing hobby for less than the quoted cost.

Re:Raspberry Pi 3B+ Hackable Linux Handheld by xsmasher on Monday September 07, 2020 @05:05PM (#24402870)
Yeah, that might be the price to be 3d printed by a service. If you have the printer, the cost of materials should be ten bucks.
Re:Raspberry Pi 3B+ Hackable Linux Handheld by dsr_ on Monday September 07, 2020 @12:38PM (#24400593)
It's probably worthwhile to find an aluminum or hard plastic project case and 3D-print supports to integrate into that, instead.
Re:Raspberry Pi 3B+ Hackable Linux Handheld by bfieidhbrjr on Monday September 07, 2020 @12:44PM (#24400641)
Last time I did injection molding ... You're off by 4, maybe 3, orders of magnitude.
Re:Raspberry Pi 3B+ Hackable Linux Handheld by Ninjinka on Monday September 07, 2020 @01:07PM (#24400794)
All of the prices seem inflated. You can get the 4B+ 4gb for $60 on Amazon as well as a compatible touch display for $35.
Re:Raspberry Pi 3B+ Hackable Linux Handheld by tomcam on Monday September 07, 2020 @02:31PM (#24401441)
Note their prices are in Canadian shekels, not good ol' American dollars
Re:Raspberry Pi 3B+ Hackable Linux Handheld by Ninjinka on Monday September 07, 2020 @03:34PM (#24402009)
Ahh my bad, I didn't make the conversion to monopoly money