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Re:Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account by judge2020 on Friday August 28, 2020 @06:09PM (#24310720)
> PAYING game developers for exclusivity is much different than CHARGING game developers 30% of their revenue.

It definitely is - one store, Epic, offers deals publishers can't refuse to make a game exclusive to their storefront which limits a consumer's ability to use a platform of their choice to purchase a game. The other, steam, puts no limits on where you can distribute your game (unless you use assets from Valve's own games, but I digress) and has done no exclusivity deals that would force a game to only use their store. Publishers are free to use steam if they want to have 30% taken, but otherwise they can completely forego steam in their distribution.

Re:Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account by gsich on Friday August 28, 2020 @06:11PM (#24310739)
Can't refuse? Is this the Godfather now?
Re:Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account by judge2020 on Friday August 28, 2020 @06:13PM (#24310771)
https://screenrant.com/borderlands-3-sales-5-million-unites-...

> a recent financial report suggested that Epic paid over $10 million to get Control as an Epic Game Store exclusive on PC, and it's possible the company has done the same to snag some of the more important releases of the year.

A little hard to turn down 10 million.

Re:Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account by jonas21 on Friday August 28, 2020 @07:04PM (#24311391)
I mean, that's an ordinary business deal. Presumably, the $10m price was chosen because it's at a point where both parties believe they're benefiting from the deal.

The colloquial definition of an "offer you can't refuse" is one that would be a bad deal for you, but that you have to accept anyway because otherwise the counterparty would do something even worse to you.

Re:Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account by judge2020 on Friday August 28, 2020 @08:47PM (#24312192)
Ya, my bad, haven't seen The Godfather and haven't heard that phrase used much.
Re:Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account by edgyquant on Friday August 28, 2020 @09:03PM (#24312298)
That isn't the common use of offer you can't refuse
Re:Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account by damnyou on Friday August 28, 2020 @08:03PM (#24311874)
That's not what a deal that someone "can't refuse" means -- that's just a deal, a mutually beneficial exchange, one of the foundations of society. "Can't refuse" generally means a threat of out-of-band (e.g. physical) harm if the deal isn't accepted.

The Epic Store is free (as in beer) to create an account on, and there's no hardware lock-in -- Steam, the Epic Store, and other platforms like GOG Galaxy/itch.io/whatever Ubisoft has can all be run on the same computer at the same time. The situation is completely different from Apple's app store.

Re:Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account by edgyquant on Friday August 28, 2020 @09:04PM (#24312304)
Offer you can't refuse usually means someone has offered you more than you think you're worth so you'd be crazy to refuse it. At least in the US.
Re:Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account by grayfaced on Saturday August 29, 2020 @12:00AM (#24313352)
Apparently it has two meanings. I've only heard it in terms of implying bodily harm, and I'm also in the US. Probably a phrase to be avoided if you don't mean bodily harm because there's a high risk of misinterpretation.
Re:Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account by damnyou on Saturday August 29, 2020 @11:42AM (#24316850)
Please watch or rewatch The Godfather. It is a very good movie.
Re:Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account by DaiPlusPlus on Friday August 28, 2020 @06:34PM (#24311038)
> A little hard to turn down 10 million.

What if the game would have made $20m if it was non-exclusive?

Exclusivity deals mean both parties - or either party - is making a huge risk or there's information-asymmetry involved.

Re:Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account by ericflo on Friday August 28, 2020 @06:36PM (#24311059)
And yet, today you can buy Control on Steam.
Re:Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account by Cyph0n on Friday August 28, 2020 @06:12PM (#24310759)
Didn’t you know that Epic holds developers hostage until they agree to their terms? I thought this was common knowledge!
Re:Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account by DivisionSol on Friday August 28, 2020 @06:23PM (#24310917)
Just like Apple holds a gun to developer’s heads to develop for the iOS.

Epic is at least bringing the joy of console exclusives to the desktop. Innovative!

Re:Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account by damnyou on Friday August 28, 2020 @08:06PM (#24311900)
Buying a new console costs hundreds of dollars, while creating an Epic Store account costs nothing. It's really not the same situation.
Re:Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account by chc on Friday August 28, 2020 @07:42PM (#24311707)
Apple holds the majority of the US market to developers' heads to develop for iOS.
Re:Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account by ThatPlayer on Friday August 28, 2020 @07:01PM (#24311358)
And that's why it's competition. Steam could offer the same, but they don't. Epic is offering a service that Steam isn't.
Re:Apple Terminates Epic Games' Developer Account by judge2020 on Saturday August 29, 2020 @12:29AM (#24313535)