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Re:Apple to start requiring written consent for third party ... by dylan604 on Thursday August 27, 2020 @10:12PM (#24300750)
> to control their cars.

This sentence scars the bejeebus out of me to think this could even be a thing. If you mean to control things like entertainment system, then maybe i'm okay with that. But I would not consider that controlling the car

Re:Apple to start requiring written consent for third party ... by vaidhy on Thursday August 27, 2020 @11:26PM (#24301089)
IIRC, GMC was hacked using an exploit in their Bluetooth stack in the entertainment system through which they got access to OBD controller. All parts of the car are more interconnected than what people generally think. From a security standpoint, remote opens up a wide attack surface.
Re:Apple to start requiring written consent for third party ... by tinus_hn on Friday August 28, 2020 @06:44AM (#24303386)
Allowing the API to exist but not allowing people to use it does not close that attack surface.
Re:Apple to start requiring written consent for third party ... by nick_kline on Friday August 28, 2020 @04:51PM (#24309781)
It's not driving it. It's controlling the entertainment system, which includes things like AC/heater, charging or not (you have to be plugged in), closing or cracking the sunroof, looking at the state of charge. You can also unlock the doors. You have to get an otp token based on your name and password. People reverse engineered the tesla api from looking at what the app does. There are two concerns I have with the tesla system.

1. They only allow for tokens that take a very long time to expire, it's something like 3 months.

2. Although a few of these apps allow you to get the token on your own and send it to them (thus not exposing your password), that's too technically demanding for most users and so most of the apps have you get a token by giving your email/password, thus you expose it to them.

For those that don't know, Tesla pays people for security vulnerabilities, welcomes hacker attempts, they disclose things after they fix them, there's a list of the things and people who found them at their website, etc. There is a separate computer system for the drive train that is not accessible through this system.

Re:Apple to start requiring written consent for third party ... by tonyedgecombe on Friday August 28, 2020 @04:45AM (#24302707)
Imagine some malware infecting the fleet that decides to take them all out for a joy ride on the same day.
Re:Apple to start requiring written consent for third party ... by dzhiurgis on Friday August 28, 2020 @07:55AM (#24303796)
Yeah, imagine