Re:Portland passes low-density zoning reform
by darawk on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @03:47PM
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They built the MTA when they still had the flexibility to do it. Portland is too developed now, too many entrenched interests, it'll never get done.
Listen, I am on the same page as you - I would love for it to happen. I would vote for it. I would pay taxes for it. But the reality is that it isn't going to happen, and if you densify the city without the transit, you will have these problems.
Re:Portland passes low-density zoning reform
by ajmurmann on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @04:23PM
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Maybe once we have the problems, people will accept the solution
Re:Portland passes low-density zoning reform
by freeone3000 on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @04:34PM
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We need to make driving suck so much that people would rather take the bus.
Re:Portland passes low-density zoning reform
by asdff on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @06:17PM
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Or make the bus suck less. Curbed bus lanes with fat fines for violators would do more to change urban America than anything else; a de facto revival of the streetcar. Why drive through the gridlock at 7mph when the bus is going 35mph right past you?
Re:Portland passes low-density zoning reform
by imtringued on Thursday August 27, 2020 @03:53AM
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It would certainly be cheaper than anything that is rail based.
Re:Portland passes low-density zoning reform
by rfrey on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @05:35PM
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It's not "making" driving suck, it's allowing driving to suck as a result of market forces. We could stop forcing restrictions on property owners that prevent the natural, market-driven move to mass transit as density increases.
Re:Portland passes low-density zoning reform
by triceratops on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @04:38PM
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This but unironically.
Re:Portland passes low-density zoning reform
by xyhopguy on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @05:59PM
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densify portland -> improve tax revenue -> improve transit.
nyc certainly benefited from aristocrats and lax labor laws when building the subway, but this isnt something that is impossible for portland. trimet is already huge for a city as small as portland. improving density will only help transit services.
it doesnt have to be subways -- the willamette flood plain isnt great for subways anyway. portland should continue to build out its bus service and cycling infrastructure. portland is already pretty reasonable for living without a car, it will only improve with density.
Re:Portland passes low-density zoning reform
by just_fred on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @06:57PM
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Ah yes, stuff the area full of people so that the quality of life tanks, and then the problem can magically fix itself.
Re:Portland passes low-density zoning reform
by Nasrudith on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @07:11PM
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There is no "stuffing" - people move there of their own accord first. That they move there despite the inconveniences is a hint that the area is already in high demand and denying it won't make it any better. There also isn't anything magical about feedback loops.
Population growth creates the tax base, density, and demand required for a successful public transportation system. Demanding that the public transport comes first is simply backwards.