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Re:Portland passes low-density zoning reform by ng12 on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @03:16PM (#24286155)
Do you think they built the MTA before they built Manhattan?

Population growth creates the tax base, density, and demand required for a successful public transportation system. Demanding that the public transport comes first is simply backwards.

Re:Portland passes low-density zoning reform by darawk on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @03:47PM (#24286467)
They built the MTA when they still had the flexibility to do it. Portland is too developed now, too many entrenched interests, it'll never get done.

Listen, I am on the same page as you - I would love for it to happen. I would vote for it. I would pay taxes for it. But the reality is that it isn't going to happen, and if you densify the city without the transit, you will have these problems.

Re:Portland passes low-density zoning reform by ajmurmann on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @04:23PM (#24286850)
Maybe once we have the problems, people will accept the solution
Re:Portland passes low-density zoning reform by freeone3000 on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @04:34PM (#24286948)
We need to make driving suck so much that people would rather take the bus.
Re:Portland passes low-density zoning reform by asdff on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @06:17PM (#24287939)
Or make the bus suck less. Curbed bus lanes with fat fines for violators would do more to change urban America than anything else; a de facto revival of the streetcar. Why drive through the gridlock at 7mph when the bus is going 35mph right past you?
Re:Portland passes low-density zoning reform by imtringued on Thursday August 27, 2020 @03:53AM (#24291107)
It would certainly be cheaper than anything that is rail based.
Re:Portland passes low-density zoning reform by rfrey on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @05:35PM (#24287557)
It's not "making" driving suck, it's allowing driving to suck as a result of market forces. We could stop forcing restrictions on property owners that prevent the natural, market-driven move to mass transit as density increases.
Re:Portland passes low-density zoning reform by triceratops on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @04:38PM (#24286999)
This but unironically.
Re:Portland passes low-density zoning reform by xyhopguy on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @05:59PM (#24287777)
densify portland -> improve tax revenue -> improve transit. nyc certainly benefited from aristocrats and lax labor laws when building the subway, but this isnt something that is impossible for portland. trimet is already huge for a city as small as portland. improving density will only help transit services.

it doesnt have to be subways -- the willamette flood plain isnt great for subways anyway. portland should continue to build out its bus service and cycling infrastructure. portland is already pretty reasonable for living without a car, it will only improve with density.

Re:Portland passes low-density zoning reform by just_fred on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @06:57PM (#24288256)
Ah yes, stuff the area full of people so that the quality of life tanks, and then the problem can magically fix itself.
Re:Portland passes low-density zoning reform by Nasrudith on Wednesday August 26, 2020 @07:11PM (#24288342)
There is no "stuffing" - people move there of their own accord first. That they move there despite the inconveniences is a hint that the area is already in high demand and denying it won't make it any better. There also isn't anything magical about feedback loops.