Re:Why did a hedge fund manager worth $700M take a $630k job...
by peteretep on Friday August 21, 2020 @01:18AM
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Interesting read. In answer to the question, the claimed response is:
> [Managing Norway’s sovereign wealth fund is my] dream job ... a higher purpose than just working in a normal bank. You should be proud of working for your country
Re:Why did a hedge fund manager worth $700M take a $630k job...
by paxys on Friday August 21, 2020 @01:35AM
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I'm sure the power and prestige of the position also has something to do with it (especially on reading about the shady process of his selection). Very few people on the planet can claim to control trillions of dollars in funds and sway the economy of a first world country and many of the largest companies in the world on a whim.
It's like saying "why would a multi-billionaire want to earn $400K becoming president of the USA?" (talking about Bloomberg, of course)
Re:Why did a hedge fund manager worth $700M take a $630k job...
by charia on Friday August 21, 2020 @01:38AM
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For the same reason why people are against high level government officials anywhere getting pay raises. The public perceives it as a waste of money and believe that public servants should be solely motivated by the work and not the money. People forget that paying people who have significantly disproportionate power well makes them less likely to be tempted by outside influences.
The second is because that looks very weird and improper. It's a government job and the person who works gets compensated. Not taking a salary would make his tenure and situation even more abnormal. It also sets a bad precedent for potential future holders of the job.
The better option would be to accept the salary and donate it alongside the fortune he has vowed to give away.
Re:Why did a hedge fund manager worth $700M take a $630k job...
by eru on Friday August 21, 2020 @01:44AM
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> For the same reason why people are against high level government officials anywhere getting pay raises. The public perceives it as a waste of money and believe that public servants should be solely motivated by the work and not the money. People forget that paying people who have significantly disproportionate power well makes them less likely to be tempted by outside influences.
Re:Why did a hedge fund manager worth $700M take a $630k job...
by laurent92 on Friday August 21, 2020 @03:18AM
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> The better option would be to accept the salary and donate it alongside the fortune he has vowed to give away.
And this exactly what Trump did, for example. He considered he was rich enough, so every trimester he donates his salary to a different ministry, once it was the General Surgeon, another time it was the DHS, or the Department of Agriculture. The list is here: https://www.snopes.com/news/2019/12/13/president-trump-salar...
Re:Why did a hedge fund manager worth $700M take a $630k job...
by laurent92 on Friday August 21, 2020 @05:53AM
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Source? You can accuse him of whatever else you want, but here, it’s hundreds of thousands of dollars of payments that have happened in reality and can be cross-checked by journalists. You are literally claiming a past event doesn’t exist « given his history with the truth ».
A man can do the best action possible and still be told it didn’t matter.
Re:Why did a hedge fund manager worth $700M take a $630k job...
by smabie on Friday August 21, 2020 @01:40AM
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Even if you don't need the money, from personal experience, volunteering is a bad road to go down. For better or worse, money is equivalent to respect, and without an income, you garner no respect.
What astonishes me is that anyone would want run this fund for a long period of time who isn't already very wealthy. When your boss of a two pizza team is earning more than the head of a 1tn fund, you know things are fucked up.
Compensation should be in the tens of millions, at the very least. Unless of course some egalitarian image is more important than the money that the entire country depends on.
Re:Why did a hedge fund manager worth $700M take a $630k job...
by codebolt on Friday August 21, 2020 @01:57AM
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I'm a Norwegian and I suspect they don't want to put the compensation higher because of public perception within Norway. If someone was pulling 10 mln USD from the public purse I can guarantee the left leaning press would have something to say about it.
I think it's fair anyway. This guy is already loaded, he doesn't need the extra millions. The prestige and power that comes with the position should be motivation enough.
Re:Why did a hedge fund manager worth $700M take a $630k job...
by JanSt on Friday August 21, 2020 @02:01AM
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When your boss of a two pizza team is paid more than $600k they are probably overpaid?
He seems very capable and is ready to work for that (still good) money. Do you think paying someone tens of millions would improve results for the fund? Why should it?
Re:Why did a hedge fund manager worth $700M take a $630k job...
by Akababa on Friday August 21, 2020 @03:22AM
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It's about supply and demand. If he really is the best person for the job, then there's nothing to be gained from paying him a higher fixed salary. But if there's someone else who's even marginally better that you can get for $10M, it's probably easily worth it - for the size of the fund, one person's pay is a negligible amount.
Re:Why did a hedge fund manager worth $700M take a $630k job...
by Akababa on Saturday August 22, 2020 @08:35PM
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That's the fundamental problem of hiring: you have to make educated guesses about who is going to make a better employee. And you should be willing to pay more to hire someone who you believe is better. For some companies, salaries are such a small part of their revenue that it makes sense to offer some candidates a lot more... and if your first choice happens to accept a lower salary, it doesn't really matter - you've saved a drop in the bucket.
Re:Why did a hedge fund manager worth $700M take a $630k job...
by smabie on Friday August 21, 2020 @03:45AM
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What you're essentially saying is that there's no other person on earth that could generate better returns for the fund. The likelihood of that being true is vanishingly small.
Re:Why did a hedge fund manager worth $700M take a $630k job...
by JanSt on Friday August 21, 2020 @04:44AM
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No, I'm saying you can pay as much as you want, you cannot know which person will generate the best returns. What's your process for picking the person?
Re:Why did a hedge fund manager worth $700M take a $630k job...
by smabie on Friday August 21, 2020 @05:33PM
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You could say the same thing about literally any job. Do you really think that paying more money doesn't find you better candidates? Do you think everyone should have the exact same salary and never get any raises?
Think about the logical conclusion of your assumptions. It doesn't make any sense.
Re:Why did a hedge fund manager worth $700M take a $630k job...
by JanSt on Saturday August 22, 2020 @11:06AM
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You cannot take an argument I make at the extremes and apply it to the whole salary curve. It's way easier to predict performance at the lower, middle and even reasonably higher salary ranges. If you believe otherwise I'd like you to tell me about the process of determining the future success.
Re:Why did a hedge fund manager worth $700M take a $630k job...
by piva00 on Friday August 21, 2020 @02:48AM
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> Compensation should be in the tens of millions, at the very least. Unless of course some egalitarian image is more important than the money that the entire country depends on.
Or unless that is your opinion being tacked onto a whole country which values things differently than you.
So far the fund has done fine without needing to inject an ultracapitalist in their ranks to pump up a US$ 1tn fund even faster. For the Norwegian people it's better to have stability and some semblance of morality while administering these funds than pure and sheer cash. Your values are just different than what the Norwegian sovereign fund is about...
Re:Why did a hedge fund manager worth $700M take a $630k job...
by JanSt on Saturday August 22, 2020 @11:03AM
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No, but salary is an s-shaped curve. The higher you go, the less the additional benefit, if any. It totally does make sense, because you reach levels where differences in performance cannot be predicted at all. It's naive to believe otherwise.
Re:Why did a hedge fund manager worth $700M take a $630k job...
by matsemann on Friday August 21, 2020 @01:52AM
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> why wouldn't he just volunteer
Maybe not as applicable in this case as it's a position where one expects someone to be used to handle lots of money. But expecting someone to do government leading work for peanuts can have the unintended side effect of only having upper class pursue it. Like unpaid internships where only the already well-off can afford to do it.
Re:Why did a hedge fund manager worth $700M take a $630k job...
by eru on Friday August 21, 2020 @01:42AM
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Your second question answers your first. And a reasonable answer to your second question is: it's not that much money in the grand scheme of things, and there's a certain value in doing things exactly by the book and with no ad hoc special handling.
If the guy really wants to work for free, he can just donate his salary back to the government or some charity.
Re:Why did a hedge fund manager worth $700M take a $630k job...
by zubairq on Friday August 21, 2020 @02:17AM
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And I have visited the oil industry in Norway and know people who work in the wealth fund. This guy would have done the job for free, he only takes a salary as he has to. The power and money to be made from potential contacts by taking this job is in the billions of dollars, if he wishes that
Re:Why did a hedge fund manager worth $700M take a $630k job...
by Cthulhu_ on Friday August 21, 2020 @03:34AM
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That's exactly it, the 'wage' is a tip - and often kept low on purpose, can't pay income tax if you don't earn an income - the real money is in being able to make decisions that benefit your interests. It'll be in the form of under-the-table kickbacks to skirt around the SEC and such of course, but it's there.
I mean the US president is doing it, he's funneled hundreds of millions into his resorts / golf clubs alone, and that's just the blatantly obvious / in clear view tip of the iceberg.
Re:Why did a hedge fund manager worth $700M take a $630k job...
by zubairq on Friday August 21, 2020 @02:13AM
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Yeah but annual compensation beyond 1 dollar for Steve Jobs most people considered Would never come. I was there at the time and apple was considered a has been company that most people thought was finished, including myself: https://www.google.dk/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/michael-...
Re:Why did a hedge fund manager worth $700M take a $630k job...
by Cthulhu_ on Friday August 21, 2020 @03:36AM
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Salary wise sure, but with salaries beyond, say, $200K / year, you quickly end up in a realm where the real money isn't in the salary anymore, but stocks / stock options. This is where the "Bezos earns $999999 a second" headlines come from - that's not his salary, that's some munging of figures from Amazon's revenue or market value. He benefits from that for holding a big stake in the company. Pretty sure he's tied to rules that mean he can't easily sell his stake in it either.
Re:Why did a hedge fund manager worth $700M take a $630k job...
by paxys on Friday August 21, 2020 @12:35PM
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Sure, but 1% globally is still like 80 million people. When you are managing a trillion+ dollar fund which controls a nation's economy, you likely want to stand out a bit more from a mid-career Google engineer or B-list celebrity.
Re:Why did a hedge fund manager worth $700M take a $630k job...
by thinkingkong on Friday August 21, 2020 @01:46AM
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I love when people suddenly realize people make decisions that are economically irrational and cant figure it out. Its like dividing by 0 for 90% of the population.
Re:Why did a hedge fund manager worth $700M take a $630k job...
by peteretep on Friday August 21, 2020 @03:09AM
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> It isn't obvious that you can't spend $700M?
That's far from clear. For example, from the article, turns out Sting costs $1m for a private performance. You could get a private concert on Saturday nights, and in 15 years, your money is all gone...
Re:Why did a hedge fund manager worth $700M take a $630k job...
by harry8 on Friday August 21, 2020 @06:19AM
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I double dare you to listen to a sting album every night for just a month while considering 15 years of it.
You really can't spend that kind of money. So what do you want to do with it? What do you want to do with your time? Time which is a resource of yours that is actually scarce when you have stupid money so it is not scarce at all.
Re:Why did a hedge fund manager worth $700M take a $630k job...
by harry8 on Friday August 21, 2020 @07:00PM
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Both of those probably retain some value. Property may appreciate.
I really don't think you guys have thought this through. All your suggestions on how to spend underline that it's basically impossible, even when that's your object rather than enjoying it. So now who are you giving money to? It's the only thing you can do with it. Children, good works, politics, immortality via a wing of an art gallery is popular. A building at your University... Gates is trying to rid the world of disease.
When i say you can't in not making euphamisms. You just can't. Lay out a serious plan that you would want to try and spend it and you see it's not practical or even close.
Replace Sting with every artist you like and think on the logistics of it. It doesn't work. Rival Leno's Garage. Only stay in 5 star hotels. Private Jet. 5 mansions on different continents go nuts. Your idea of no expense spared, lap of luxury. Price it up for 70 years worth.
Re:Why did a hedge fund manager worth $700M take a $630k job...
by implements on Friday August 21, 2020 @03:34AM
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It’s hard to consume $700m, certainly - but you can easily spend that much money doing what capitalists do: creating, acquiring and merging businesses. Think money as a tool, rather than just as something to be converted into goods and services.
> [Managing Norway’s sovereign wealth fund is my] dream job ... a higher purpose than just working in a normal bank. You should be proud of working for your country
It's like saying "why would a multi-billionaire want to earn $400K becoming president of the USA?" (talking about Bloomberg, of course)
On the flip side, why wouldn't he just volunteer, given his stated true intentions?
The second is because that looks very weird and improper. It's a government job and the person who works gets compensated. Not taking a salary would make his tenure and situation even more abnormal. It also sets a bad precedent for potential future holders of the job.
The better option would be to accept the salary and donate it alongside the fortune he has vowed to give away.
Interestingly, that's part of the reasoning why Singapore pays ministers millions per year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabinet_of_Singapore
630k ought to be enough for anybody.
And this exactly what Trump did, for example. He considered he was rich enough, so every trimester he donates his salary to a different ministry, once it was the General Surgeon, another time it was the DHS, or the Department of Agriculture. The list is here: https://www.snopes.com/news/2019/12/13/president-trump-salar...
A man can do the best action possible and still be told it didn’t matter.
"To be clear, this list documents announcements — not receipts — of Trump’s donations."
"We contacted the Department of Treasury to find out if documentation for any such deposits is publicly available and have yet to hear back."
What astonishes me is that anyone would want run this fund for a long period of time who isn't already very wealthy. When your boss of a two pizza team is earning more than the head of a 1tn fund, you know things are fucked up.
Compensation should be in the tens of millions, at the very least. Unless of course some egalitarian image is more important than the money that the entire country depends on.
I think it's fair anyway. This guy is already loaded, he doesn't need the extra millions. The prestige and power that comes with the position should be motivation enough.
He seems very capable and is ready to work for that (still good) money. Do you think paying someone tens of millions would improve results for the fund? Why should it?
Think about the logical conclusion of your assumptions. It doesn't make any sense.
Or unless that is your opinion being tacked onto a whole country which values things differently than you.
So far the fund has done fine without needing to inject an ultracapitalist in their ranks to pump up a US$ 1tn fund even faster. For the Norwegian people it's better to have stability and some semblance of morality while administering these funds than pure and sheer cash. Your values are just different than what the Norwegian sovereign fund is about...
Would you yourself not switch a job because they offered more money? What you're saying doesn't make any sense.
Maybe not as applicable in this case as it's a position where one expects someone to be used to handle lots of money. But expecting someone to do government leading work for peanuts can have the unintended side effect of only having upper class pursue it. Like unpaid internships where only the already well-off can afford to do it.
If the guy really wants to work for free, he can just donate his salary back to the government or some charity.
Eg in the US you can use https://www.fiscal.treasury.gov/public/gifts-to-government.h...
In Germany https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staatsverschuldung_Deutschland... tells you how to contribute.
I imagine Norway has a similar mechanism, but I don't speak enough Norwegian to figure that out quickly.
I mean the US president is doing it, he's funneled hundreds of millions into his resorts / golf clubs alone, and that's just the blatantly obvious / in clear view tip of the iceberg.
Norway is a first-world country and has working oversight and anti-corruption procedures. Trust me, he will be policed more effectively than Donald.
And that's why there's so much fuss around him getting the job, the opposition is very worried that he'll do just that.
https://www.nrk.no/ytring/fire-sporsmal-og-svar-om-tangen-sa...
Well nothing other than his free lunch scam.
https://www.businessinsider.com/how-steve-jobs-scammed-apple...
Why did this person not put more money first? It isn't obvious that you can't spend $700M? Neither can your children and grandchildren.
Long before $700M money ceases to be valuable to you. At all.
That's far from clear. For example, from the article, turns out Sting costs $1m for a private performance. You could get a private concert on Saturday nights, and in 15 years, your money is all gone...
You really can't spend that kind of money. So what do you want to do with it? What do you want to do with your time? Time which is a resource of yours that is actually scarce when you have stupid money so it is not scarce at all.
> can’t spend that kind of money
Right but this really really isn’t true
Do you really need a 100-million yacht and a 20-bedroom villa? No.
I really don't think you guys have thought this through. All your suggestions on how to spend underline that it's basically impossible, even when that's your object rather than enjoying it. So now who are you giving money to? It's the only thing you can do with it. Children, good works, politics, immortality via a wing of an art gallery is popular. A building at your University... Gates is trying to rid the world of disease.
When i say you can't in not making euphamisms. You just can't. Lay out a serious plan that you would want to try and spend it and you see it's not practical or even close.
Replace Sting with every artist you like and think on the logistics of it. It doesn't work. Rival Leno's Garage. Only stay in 5 star hotels. Private Jet. 5 mansions on different continents go nuts. Your idea of no expense spared, lap of luxury. Price it up for 70 years worth.