'Coup 53' tells the story of 1953 campaign by MI6 and CIA to oust Iran's leader

Re:'Coup 53' tells the story of 1953 campaign by MI6 and CIA... by sudosysgen on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @07:43PM (#24218201)

Neither Hamas not the PLO hold the power of the state, therefore there are not democratic elections, therefore Palestine isn't a democratic nation. The immediate reason why they cannot hold elections for their government is because of Israeli occupation. Therefore, there are people that Israel exercise the power of the State over that do not vote for the State, therefore it is not a democracy.

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Re:'Coup 53' tells the story of 1953 campaign by MI6 and CIA... by starik36 on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @08:12PM (#24218417)

I suppose you could argue that with PLO, but not Hamas. They are in complete control of Gaza have been since 2007. They could have held elections there anytime they wanted to. But they won't.

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Re:'Coup 53' tells the story of 1953 campaign by MI6 and CIA... by sudosysgen on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @09:56PM (#24219094)

According to Wikipedia :

> Despite the 2005 Israeli disengagement from Gaza,[21] the United Nations, international human rights organisations, and the majority of governments and legal commentators consider the territory to be still occupied by Israel, supported by additional restrictions placed on Gaza by Egypt. Israel maintains direct external control over Gaza and indirect control over life within Gaza: it controls Gaza's air and maritime space, and six of Gaza's seven land crossings. It reserves the right to enter Gaza at will with its military and maintains a no-go buffer zone within the Gaza territory. Gaza is dependent on Israel for its water, electricity, telecommunications, and other utilities.[21] The system of control imposed by Israel is described as an "indirect occupation".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip

That being said, the occupation of Palestine nominally under PlO control is sufficient so that Israel is not a democracy.

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Re:'Coup 53' tells the story of 1953 campaign by MI6 and CIA... by sbmthakur on Thursday August 20, 2020 @05:27AM (#24221478)

The US and UK won't be democratic by the same reasoning because they have "occupied" parts of Cuba and Argentina respectively.

Not to forget that rockets are routinely fired into Israel from Gaza. So, it seems Israel has good reasons to exercise that kind of control over Gaza.

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Re:'Coup 53' tells the story of 1953 campaign by MI6 and CIA... by sudosysgen on Thursday August 20, 2020 @09:34AM (#24223049)

If the citizens in the Falklands or Guantanamo weren't allowed to vote, you would have a point, however they are allowed to vote, so you don't have a point.

The standard is occupation of a territory without giving them or its inhabitants the right to vote.

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