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Re:Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition by nitrogen on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @01:16PM (#24212933)
It's been a while since I've seen mention of actuarial analyses of the pandemic vs lockdowns. Could millions of people with muscle atrophy cause more economic harm?
Re:Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition by hanniabu on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @01:33PM (#24213240)
Lockdown doesn't mean muscle atrophy. You can still do a lot at home even without equipment. Besides, if you want to continue to assume it causes muscle atrophy, then compare a population with muscle atrophy to a population with (likely) permanent organ damage due to a vascular disease (covid).
Re:Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition by partyboat1586 on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @01:52PM (#24213534)
Have you got any sources on covid causing vascular disease? I haven't heard about that.
Re:Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition by saalweachter on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @02:48PM (#24214458)
https://hms.harvard.edu/news/distinctive-features#:~:text=Wh....

That's the first article that shows for googling [covid-19 vascular disease].

Basically my understanding of the current understanding is that COVID-19 is better thought of as a disease that can cause blood clots, particularly in several organ systems, particularly in the lungs -- you start getting blood clots in your lungs and consequently can't breathe very well.

Re:Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition by partyboat1586 on Thursday August 20, 2020 @04:27AM (#24221127)
Very interesting. Thank you.
Re:Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition by alistairSH on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @02:37PM (#24214268)
Early days yet, but medical professionals are seeing cases of myocarditis that appears to follow COVID. Whether or not this leads to ling-term damage is unknown, but myocarditis isn't generally something you ignore.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/17/opinion/covid-19-heart-di...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertglatter/2020/08/17/covid-...

Re:Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition by partyboat1586 on Thursday August 20, 2020 @04:36AM (#24221190)
Wow, sounds pretty serious. I experienced some of those symptoms in March after a particularly bad respiratory infection. Perhaps it's time to get an antibody test.
Re:Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition by reaperducer on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @01:31PM (#24213222)
Could millions of people with muscle atrophy cause more economic harm?

Who cares? Why is "economic" harm so important?

I'm really tired of people saying "But what about the economy?" I really don't care. I care about my health and the health of my family members. If some artisan dog biscuit company goes out of business, so be it.

Re:Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition by jdminhbg on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @02:43PM (#24214376)
> Why is "economic" harm so important?

The "economy" is just our way of measuring what people do for themselves and others all day. "Some artisan dog biscuit company" is someone else's lifelong work and dream, not just a number in a spreadsheet. Minimizing may make you feel better about selfishly demanding everyone turn their lives off, but it's not an accurate representation of the world.

Re:Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition by missedthecue on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @02:47PM (#24214432)
That's fine. The problem people have is when the government bans the dog biscuit company from operating for arbitrary reasons and they go under
Re:Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition by mam2 on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @02:32PM (#24214197)
people need money to eat. 60% of americans have 0 savings.

It's not just about you

Re:Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition by reaperducer on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @02:42PM (#24214352)
You can't earn money to eat and go to the gym if the hospitals are overflowing with virus victims and society collapses.
Re:Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition by yryan on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @08:09PM (#24218401)
Hospitals are not overflowing.
Re:Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition by abduhl on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @02:34PM (#24214213)
I'm really tired of people saying "But what about my health?" I really don't care. I care about my job and the businesses of my family members. If some work from home keyboard jockey gets sick because they left their house instead of locking themselves inside, so be it.
Re:Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition by alistairSH on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @02:35PM (#24214230)
How does a lockdown cause muscle atrophy?

If muscle mass or fitness is a concern, work out at home. Or outside. Ride a bike, go for a run, do some pushups. Pick up large rocks. Buy a squat rack or rowing machine. Go climb a mountain.

Access to a gym is absolutely not required to maintain fitness.