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Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by ProAm on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @03:09PM (#24135601)
> as it allows drivers to discriminate against riders who are going to poor neighborhoods or from cities to suburbs where they may have difficulty in getting another rider.

This is exactly what being a contractor is though. Accepting contract work you'd like, and turning down work you don't. Otherwise you are an employee.

Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by kingnothing on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @03:23PM (#24135742)
In the case of rideshare, I imagine the driver contract agreement has that stipulation in it. You'll agree to pick up a passenger taking a trip to an unknown destination with up to N hours of travel time. If you don't like the terms of the contract, you don't have to work for that company.
Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by raducu on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @04:20PM (#24136407)
How is that different from a regular taxi driver?

Where's the "sharing" in the "ride share" if the driver is forced to take any ride?

Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by olyjohn on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @05:07PM (#24136993)
This is the thing that really chafes my testes.

People need to get real and start calling it what it is. It's a taxi service. This is not ride sharing. The driver was not already going somewhere. The driver was waiting around for a call to pick someone up, and was going to take them where they wanted to go. Nothing is being shared. This is a Taxi service and the Uber app is the dispatcher.

If I was already going to work, and I picked someone up along the way, that's sharing a ride.

The only thing the driver is sharing is the money they are giving to their mechanic when all the around town driving wears out their car.

Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by Jommi on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @07:05PM (#24138122)
Only misguided journalists use ridesharing anymore. Its been "ridehailing" the best past 3-4 years now.
Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by ProAm on Thursday August 13, 2020 @01:49AM (#24140308)
"Taxi with a logistics app"
Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by fastball on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @06:58PM (#24138076)
What about UberPOOL?
Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by modeless on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @04:41PM (#24136692)
Regular taxi drivers are often contractors. At least, they were in the past, I'm not sure how this new stuff is affecting regular taxi companies.
Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by PunchTornado on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @03:27PM (#24135782)
A ride is more like a task. I've been a contractor and I couldn't refuse jira tasks. You've signed a contract with the company, you should do all the jira tasks they throw at you.
Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by Slartie on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @04:32PM (#24136576)
But you could have refused the customer in the first place. Nobody forced you to make a contract with him. Of course, once you did, you are compelled to keep up your end of the bargain, and that probably included you doing those jira tasks (you could have probably refused to do entirely different work, like walking the dog of the manager, when you were originally contracted for doing IT development work).

A true contractor in the rideshare space would have an individual contract with each rider, and could of course reject riders based on the terms of the contract (of which the target location is one). However, once a customer is accepted based on the agreed-upon terms (fare, target, number of passengers etc.) he wouldn't be able to throw the passenger out in the middle of the ride for no good reason.

If you now want to say that a rideshare contractor should not be able to reject a customer based upon the terms of the ride, I ask you: why shouldn't he? With whom does he have a contract that binds him? And you say: with Uber. And I say: yeah, and that's why your analogy is fundamentally flawed, why he isn't an individual contractor for each customer but simply an employee of Uber, with whom he has a contract that mandates him to accept all customers that Uber deems acceptable. Exactly like a plumber working at a plumbing company who also has to do plumbing work at any customer his boss sends him to, while his individually contracting plumber colleague can decide to decline or accept customers at his own discretion.

Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by julienb_sea on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @04:52PM (#24136837)
Alternatively, the contract is between the driver and the rideshare platform. The driver is a participant in the platform and is contractually expected to behave within the rules and bounds of the platform. This does not require defining the driver as an employee.

When the driver activates uber driver mode, they are initiating a contract which states they will work within the bounds of the app. The driver is able to terminate that contract at will and at any time, and reactivate it at will and at his leisure. When the contract is active, the driver has committed to operate within the pricing, pickup and dropoff structure of the platform - as in the driver has committed to minimize discrimination of their rides and accept the platform's rider oriented pricing structure.

Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by Slartie on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @05:21PM (#24137138)
I am pretty sure that you cannot "activate" a work contract by opening an app. What is the notion of "activating" a contract anyway, I mean legally. Does something like that exist in US law?

I would doubt that, and I would also doubt that you can simply define opening an app as the beginning of a legally binding, entirely new contract with as many implications as Uber's driver contracts have. I am pretty sure that in reality, Uber signs a contract once with a new driver, after checking his background, driver license and everything, and that contract is active from that point in time until explicitly terminated by either party. Just closing the app does not terminate it, neither does opening the app create a new contract. Closing the app just amounts to the driver leaving his "workplace", opening it again amounts to the driver entering his "workplace", but the contract under which that work takes place is the same and active all the time, it just gives the driver a lot of leeway with regard to how many hours he wants to work.

That is a generous employment, but it is an employment nevertheless in nature.

Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by novok on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @03:51PM (#24136070)
Many people argue that those kinds of contractors are employees. Often your an employee of the contracting firm AFAIK too, so you have to follow the implicit orders of the contracting firm.
Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by raducu on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @04:23PM (#24136452)
I am a "contractor", but yeah, if you only work for one company for X months, you should be an employee.

If all your money comes via a single company, even if you phisically work at a different place each day, you should be an employee of that company.

Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by fastball on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @07:01PM (#24138092)
That's kinda the problem with ride-sharing though. Many (most) drivers are driving with multiple apps.
Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by freeone3000 on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @08:52PM (#24138902)
Many, many people in the US are employed with multiple companies at a time. Everyone who "works two jobs". Employment is not exclusive.
Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by fastball on Thursday August 13, 2020 @03:56AM (#24140987)
I was responding to a comment about "only working for one company for X months".
Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by amyjess on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @04:28PM (#24136524)
Which is why I'm vehemently opposed to classing Uber drivers as contractors.