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Re:The periodic table, colour coded by the likely origin of ... by dandare on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @09:02AM (#24119832)
How did elements created by a merging neutron stars and dying low-mass stars get down to our planet?
Re:The periodic table, colour coded by the likely origin of ... by Tuna-Fish on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @09:36AM (#24120108)
Two neutron stars merging is an extremely energetic event which emits vast amounts of degenerate neutron star material at speeds above escape velocity. Pretty much instantly after this material is liberated from the pressure and gravity of the neutron star, it starts decaying into normal matter, producing a vast menagerie of (generally very neutron-rich) elements, which then follow their decay chains until they end up as mostly stable elements.

Low-mass stars, like the Sun, will generally expand into many times their original size after hydrogen starts running out in their core. Much of these tenuous outer layers will be emitted during the final stages of the star, before the core collapses into a white dwarf.

Re:The periodic table, colour coded by the likely origin of ... by ninkendo on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @04:32PM (#24125630)
I've always wondered, does the presence of heavy elements on earth (ones which are likely to have formed via neutron star mergers) indicate that a pair of neutron stars merged relatively nearby our sun when it formed? Or is there just a diffuse amount of these elements in typical protostellar clouds all over the galaxy?

Perhaps a simpler way of asking: are the heavy elements we find on earth typical for an average planet? Or does a planetary system have to be "lucky" enough to have formed near a neutron star merger, for it to have elements like gold in measurable quantities?

Re:The periodic table, colour coded by the likely origin of ... by arethuza on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @09:51AM (#24120207)
"it starts decaying into normal matter"

Thanks - I had managed to miss the fact that being made in a neutron star collision implies that things like gold were once part of neutron stars.

I think this exceeds the coolness of having been in a supernova.

Re:The periodic table, colour coded by the likely origin of ... by ahazred8ta on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @09:52PM (#24127879)
The collision is messy and it splatters a huge amount of neutronium into space. This dissociates into a very hot mist of heavy elements, which eventually mixes into the surrounding nebula. The proto-solar disk was formed from this mixture.
Re:The periodic table, colour coded by the likely origin of ... by AllegedAlec on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @09:19AM (#24119974)
Our sun is about 4.6B year old. There were a few other generations of stars that lived and died before our sun came about, and these spewed out the heavier elements that make up our solar system.
Re:The periodic table, colour coded by the likely origin of ... by Tepix on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @11:38AM (#24121496)
It must have been a somewhat dull first generation of stars and planets with only Hydrogen and Helium around.

On the other hand, giant stars explode after just a few million years so it didn't take long for other elements to appear.

Re:The periodic table, colour coded by the likely origin of ... by dredmorbius on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @02:14PM (#24123684)
The ratio of heavier elements to H & He is called metallicity, and it is a measurable characteristic of stars, which are classed into Type I (high metallicity) and Type II (low) populations. Low-metallicity Type II stars are generally older.

Nothing specific on what Type II stellar systems and planets would be like, though I'd suspect gas giants, generally.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallicity

Re:The periodic table, colour coded by the likely origin of ... by saagarjha on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @02:56PM (#24124353)
I think they make up for their dullness by being absolutely massive–hundreds of solar masses, if not more.
Re:The periodic table, colour coded by the likely origin of ... by hermitcrab on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @10:01AM (#24120317)
The follow up question is, how come the different elements aren't uniformly mixed within the earth. Or perhaps formed into stratified layers with the densest at the centre? E.g. Why are there 'deposits' of gold relatively close to the surface? Something to do with interaction of the physical and chemical properties of the elements with local variations in conditions?
Re:The periodic table, colour coded by the likely origin of ... by dredmorbius on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @02:30PM (#24123952)
The Earth is mostly stratified: light rocky silicate crust, heavier (though also rocky) magnesium-silicate mantle, core of mostly nickle-iron and heavier elements, which formed during the iron catastrophe.

Crustal deposits of heavier minerals largely result from late bombardment (after the crust had formed, about 100 million years after Earth's formation itself), geothermal and tectonic activity (volcanism, rift zones, vents), and biological mobilisation and concentration (e.g., lighter elements in coal and limestone, but notably, banded iron formations). Events such as the hypothesized Tethys collision could of course also have influenced distribution.

Gold forms veins typically in quartzes through differential precipitation AFAIU.

Ore formation is its own fascinating subfield of geology, and is underappreciated by many advocates of space mining.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abundance_of_elements_in_Earth...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_differentiation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_catastrophe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ore_genesis

Re:The periodic table, colour coded by the likely origin of ... by ncmncm on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @11:22AM (#24121250)
All Earth's primordial gold sank. So, all the gold we find or mine came from meteorites (including dust) after solidification. Most has been dissolved in water.
Re:The periodic table, colour coded by the likely origin of ... by changoplatanero on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @10:18AM (#24120481)
Yes you're right. Geologic and biologic processes unevenly distribute the elements
Re:The periodic table, colour coded by the likely origin of ... by HarryHirsch on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @11:03AM (#24121023)
The keyword is "Goldschmidt classification": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldschmidt_classification

Those who would like to know more could do worse than pick up Greenwood's & Earnshaw's book (this one: https://www.amazon.com/-/dp/0750633654) from the nearest university library, it has a chapter on nucleogenesis and cosmic and geologic abundances.

Re:The periodic table, colour coded by the likely origin of ... by mc32 on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @09:11AM (#24119915)
Time? They had like 10 billion years to diffuse and propagate I guess...
Re:The periodic table, colour coded by the likely origin of ... by Sharlin on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @09:29AM (#24120070)
Neutron star merger is a rather energetic event, ejecting copious amounts of matter. Dying low-mass stars (like the sun) eject their outer envelope, forming an expanding nebula.
Re:The periodic table, colour coded by the likely origin of ... by BurningFrog on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @09:28AM (#24120057)
They didn't land on the planet, they formed it.
Re:The periodic table, colour coded by the likely origin of ... by ncmncm on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @11:30AM (#24121379)
Some did, some didn't. All the iridium, platinum, gold we find landed.
Re:The periodic table, colour coded by the likely origin of ... by Diederich on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @01:42PM (#24123252)
> All the iridium, platinum, gold we find landed

Cool. Do you have a quick reference for the 'landed' part? As opposed to being part of the planet from the beginning. Thanks!

Re:The periodic table, colour coded by the likely origin of ... by dredmorbius on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @02:47PM (#24124218)
Re:The periodic table, colour coded by the likely origin of ... by BurningFrog on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @01:50PM (#24123381)
I've been wondering about that.

Is it because all heavy elements present when Earth formed sank to the center?

That would make sense, but I've assumed that since we can mine gold, that's not what happened. If all the gold fell from the sky, that would explain things.