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Re:Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed by Larrikin on Sunday August 09, 2020 @05:06PM (#24102906)
This kind of thinking is why I tend to buy as close to a full years worth of clothing whenever I make a trip out to Tokyo. Even in Chicago relatively fashionable men's clothing shops are few and far between
Re:Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed by wirthjason on Sunday August 09, 2020 @05:35PM (#24103125)
What do you find so interesting and where do you shop? I like Uniqlo and Muji but now that Uniqlo is available (in-store) in Chicago theres no need to buy it in Japan. I’m not particularly into fashion but I like mainstream but trendy clothes.

I think Japanese fashion is less about the clothes themselves than the acceptance to let people wear what they want and and not judging. I think it’s more acceptable to match different colors and styles.

One strap shoulder Man-bags are all the rage. They are pretty practical, especially when you can’t fit your checkbook-sized wallet in tiny pockets. But in the US it looks like you’re wearing a fanny pack.

If you saw someone wearing an all yellow track suit it would look OK, partly because someone wearing an all green version is 20 feet away.

Or business slacks tapered and cropped above the ankle — in the US they’d ask, “is there a flood?”

While the clothes themselves don’t seem much different, I prefer slimmer cuts. The US is too baggy and loose.

Re:Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed by Larrikin on Sunday August 09, 2020 @05:57PM (#24103284)
I actually rarely shop at Uniqlo unless I'm getting something like underwear or socks. The style is better than Old Navy but I wouldn't say that much better.

Usually I go through Harajuku (excluding Takeshita-dori), Shibuya, Omotesando, and Shinjuku and go through the various stores. Especially in Harajuku stores tend to close constantly and are replaced, but theres always something good to find.

Re:Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed by wyclif on Sunday August 09, 2020 @08:47PM (#24104313)
One strap shoulder Man-bags are all the rage. They are pretty practical, especially when you can’t fit your checkbook-sized wallet in tiny pockets. But in the US it looks like you’re wearing a fanny pack.

Especially true in SE Asia. I resisted the trend because it looks effeminate, like you're wearing a purse. Asian guys love them because they're super practical if you ride a motorbike or scooter tandem style. I think it works better for more masculine types to go for a bigger bag. I have a black Crumpler bicycle messenger bag (not super big, just a normal-sized bike messenger bag) and it works great for me down here.

Re:Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed by bgeeek on Sunday August 09, 2020 @09:31PM (#24104600)
Not effeminate at all. Look up reporter bags, smaller than a messenger bag. Classy, not effeminate. Mostly older men wear them in the UK (I’m on my third) whereas the younger men wear cross-body sports-type bags. Most majors make them. I can completely under the rise because of the increase in phone size. Phone + wallet + headphones + tissues, sanitizers, and a mini Fulton umbrella. Then I’m set :)
Re:Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed by wyclif on Monday August 10, 2020 @01:12AM (#24105776)
Well, I know what a reporter bag is but that's not what I'm talking about. I didn't describe it very well. Usually they're "fanny pack" size, but with a shoulder strap. Very popular in the Philippines, for instance. Not worn so much as a fashion statement, but more as an anti-theft contingency when travelling in crowded spaces or public transportation because they are small enough to swing around and wear the bag across your chest.
Re:Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed by bgeeek on Monday August 10, 2020 @02:12AM (#24106112)
I think I know what you mean - the cross-body bags. Do they run diagonal with the bag somewhere across the chest? They're popular among teenage males in the UK these days.
Re:Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed by KLexpat on Sunday August 09, 2020 @10:17PM (#24104833)
as an expat living in SE Asia (KL) I think it is because masculinity is not defined by ones clothing here. I mean, you are a masculine he-man if you have a good business, if you have big family, but the clothes you wear are no more about your masculinity than your phone wallpaper is.

This is probably also because so many clothes are made here, its demystified.

Re:Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed by angled on Monday August 10, 2020 @05:51AM (#24107391)
A bit late to the party and almost apropos a separate topic, but Hong Kong billionaire Jimmy Lai rocks Addidas trackies with a shirt and sports jacket: https://www.abc.net.au/cm/rimage/12541694-3x2-xlarge.jpg (via https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-10/why-chinas-arrest-of-...)
Re:Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed by foldr on Monday August 10, 2020 @04:14AM (#24106806)
> I resisted the trend because it looks effeminate

To be honest, it seems that in the most of US, merely being stylish is perceived as "effeminate" (for a man).

Re:Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed by piva00 on Monday August 10, 2020 @04:46AM (#24106974)
Not only in the US, that is pretty typical for the whole American continent, even worse in Latin America as it's seen as a "gay" trait to be into fashion.

As a straight man who is into fashion for quite a few years now and who moved out of Brazil to Sweden: that culture is pretty stupid, I feel so much better and more myself when I'm able to express my personality with my clothes without the fear of being judged by someone's else prejudice... Even better that it's a common thing in Western Europe for people to be more fashionable.

I've bought some pieces that are pretty bold, I love some avant-garde male fashion pieces and being able to wear that without people batting an eye (and even getting random compliments) makes me feel pretty good, hope the Americas can get to this point because it's a very toxic masculinity trait for a whole continent to have and perpetuate.

Re:Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed by kristofferR on Monday August 10, 2020 @07:24AM (#24108035)
Is it very different in Sweden than the Americas?

I'm a Norwegian guy, and I love how tolerant we turned weirdly quickly. Even the anti-abortion Christian™ Party walks in the Pride parade now.

Frankly I think most people here would still think of the random guy in a dress as non-straight, but since "nobody" cares about that here anymore, nobody cares about clothing in a negative way either.

Re:Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed by foldr on Monday August 10, 2020 @09:15AM (#24108883)
A guy in a dress seems like a strange example. Outside of drag, it's not common to see guys wearing dresses (gay or straight).
Re:Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed by j7ake on Monday August 10, 2020 @03:35AM (#24106579)
I think the one strap shoulder bag also is more comfortable when it is extremely hot and humid: a backpack would make your entire back soaked in sweat.
Re:Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed by wyclif on Monday August 10, 2020 @05:12AM (#24107130)
Yes! I'm in the Philippines and I can't bear to wear a backpack down here at sea level, in the tropics...maybe in the mountains, but not for everyday use.
Re:Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed by on_and_off on Sunday August 09, 2020 @05:51PM (#24103242)
not op but brands like visvim are way more affordable if you are in Japan. Less expensive brands like OrSlow or TCB are also more affordable in Japan (there is a wealth of fashion brands in that country).

>I think Japanese fashion is less about the clothes themselves than the acceptance to let people wear what they want and and not judging.

In my experience this mostly applies if you are young. At a certain age you are more or less expected to start fitting in the mold.

Re:Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed by neutronicus on Sunday August 09, 2020 @09:25PM (#24104560)
Highwaters are in in the US, too, at least judging by what basketball players wear to the NBA draft
Re:Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed by paganel on Monday August 10, 2020 @06:46AM (#24107694)
> One strap shoulder Man-bags are all the rage.

Tote-bags also work, I've started using one for the last two summers.

In Romania we used to call them "sacoșă" back in communist times, and almost everyone used to have one in hand while going around town, you never knew what store could you stumble upon which might have brought in fresh supplies, in which case of course that you needed a "sacoșă" to carry back home the stuff that you purchased from there. I think that was a common sight in other communist countries too, that's why the Tiananmen guy actually had not one but two "sacoșe" in his hands while confronting those tanks (I'm curious what the term for "sacoșă" is in Chinese).

Unfortunately the late 1990s-early-2000s saw that phenomenon disappear, as the new middle classes used their newly purchased cars to bring stuff home from the super-market while "sacoșe" were "relegated" to old pensioners, but fortunately they made a comeback re-baptised as hipsterish and trendy tote-bags.

Re:Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed by HenryBemis on Sunday August 09, 2020 @05:41PM (#24103160)
On the Europe side of the map, I find the same practicality in clothes when I shop from Finland. They too have all the brands one expects to see, but Finnish people (please any Finn comment/suggest) are super practical when it comes to clothing. Finns and Danes are my idols on simplicity, practicality and a hint of elegance.
Re:Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed by wott on Sunday August 09, 2020 @06:59PM (#24103677)
> Finns and Danes are my idols on simplicity, practicality and a hint of elegance.

Jesus... I never thought I'd ever read that Finns could be someone's idols when it comes to elegance. But if you fancy wearing sports overwear [0] fitted in your rubber boots, after all...

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[0] don't forget to buy the exact same model for your partner, and wear it at the same time, if you want to pass as a true Finnish couple.

Re:Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed by HenryBemis on Monday August 10, 2020 @04:39PM (#24113721)
I usually work for mega-large corporations and I have been for the past 15-20 years. How can I phrase it... I HATE wearing suite & tie. I work from home in any chance I get, I dislike the 'uniform', and I prefer casual/sport/comfortable clothing. This is why I like Finns.. they don't give a crap about 'norms'. The go for comfort, whatever feels good, and rock on!
Re:Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed by 9nGQluzmnq3M on Sunday August 09, 2020 @09:11PM (#24104482)
Not sure why this is being downvoted: Finns themselves joke about having no fashion sense, and the stereotypes is guys in sweatpants with a flask of vodka in the back pocket and women with no makeup. Things have improved over the last 20 years, but the contrast to Russia in particular is very noticeable.
Re:Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed by Jommi on Sunday August 09, 2020 @11:27PM (#24105197)
These both seem to be stereotypes from decades ago when USSR was still a threat.

If you keep up with current events you might have noticed that Finland has become a prominent country in the worldside design and fashion world.

I for example have never heard of this kind of joke being said or written anywhere.

Re:Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed by piva00 on Monday August 10, 2020 @04:49AM (#24106997)
As much as I like Finns I will say that in the Nordics the stylish scale for me goes: Sweden - Denmark - Norway - Finland. Not sure where I would put Icelandic fashion sense in there as I had very little contact with Icelandics living here in Sweden.
Re:Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed by Jommi on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @02:21AM (#24117653)
Yes, most likely your scale is based on the pieces of media that you received when you grew up, and not what is actually happening.

For example the Aalto University in Finland is currently one of the best ranked universities for art, design and fashion. None of the other nordic countries are even in the top ten. Sweden is not even in the top 25.

Re:Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed by piva00 on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @04:50AM (#24118462)
I'm not talking about fashion production and designers but how people in general dress in their day-to-day in the big cities.

That is a pretty different picture than the academics side of fashion...

Re:Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed by Jommi on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @01:54PM (#24123431)
Okay, well then you can just open up HEL LOOKS (Helsinki looks) and get a glimpse of the huge amount of different styles, designer clothing and use of vintage garments that is going on in the streets of Helsinki right now. -->https://www.hel-looks.com/20200603_10/

Like I said, there is a lot of objective evidence to point to the contrary of what you are purporting. But hey, up to you if you want to beleive it or not.

Re:Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed by waihtis on Monday August 10, 2020 @02:11AM (#24106108)
What, you've never heard of the "tuulipuku?" That piece of clothing defined the 90's in Finland.
Re:Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed by Jommi on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @02:16AM (#24117627)
Check my other comment, I do recognize tuulipuku as exactly the style of 90s Finland. The 90s was 30 years ago.
Re:Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed by Jommi on Sunday August 09, 2020 @11:24PM (#24105178)
Im not sure what you mean here.

I think you would do well to seperate the clothing/availability of the capital Helsinki, vs. rest of Finland.

Yes, outside of Helsinki and with the older population clothing is very utilitarian and wind-resistant sportsy clothing worn all round the year is common. The biggest seller of clothing items in Finland nationally is a supermarket chain.

Re:Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed by menybuvico on Monday August 10, 2020 @02:59AM (#24106387)
Also, out in the countryside, many, many people simply wear workwear most of the day, even after work. It's much higher quality than the cheap garments available in stores like Prisma or Tokmanni.
Re:Sweatpants Forever: How the Fashion Industry Collapsed by blueline on Monday August 10, 2020 @09:08AM (#24108833)
Depends what you’re looking for, but there are some pretty good boutique shops like notre and gallery aesthete. those cater to pretty particular styles though.