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Re:Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0 by mitchdoogle on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @11:49AM (#24062142)
Do people think Firefox doesn't work? I've noticed zero difference between using Firefox and Chrome and I've used both daily for five years or so.
Re:Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0 by gen220 on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @12:02PM (#24062303)
For me, there are only subtle differences. I use Chrome for work (golden browser for our web apps) and FF personally.

Google maps has never worked well for me on FF. The "old"/basic interface for Gmail works fine, but the new one was noticeably slower.

It doesn't seem exclusive to Google, however. Many PWA sites (including bank websites!) have, from time to time, inexplicably failed to load certain elements on FF, while loading them without fail on GC.

I don't really fault FF for this, but it is what it is.

The good news is it seems to be getting better. Every month or so, I try these trouble sites in FF, and every month I have fewer "trouble sites".

Re:Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0 by jackson1442 on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @12:36PM (#24062712)
I’ve personally found that the new gmail interface is simply awful on every browser, just a little less awful on Chrome.
Re:Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0 by dwighttk on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @01:14PM (#24063144)
Gmail IMAP interface is fine
Re:Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0 by Widow on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @11:55AM (#24062215)
Google has an incredible walled garden of apps and things that 'just' work together seamlessly. I remember switching from FF to Chrome years ago as Chrome was measurably faster. The staying power was using Google's entire suite of apps with Chrome. Things like copying and pasting without formatting or searching for strings all contribute to stickiness.
Re:Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0 by Chirael on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @02:18PM (#24063855)
I use Google apps in Edge, and nothing else in Edge. I use Firefox for all other web browsing, and avoid doing anything Google related in Firefox. I won't install Chrome on my machine at all and don't need to - Edge is good enough, now that it's Chromium-based.
Re:Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0 by BuckRogers on Thursday August 06, 2020 @12:55AM (#24068234)
I use Edge similarly. I'm glad it's here and it's good because Firefox keeps losing share and I'm glad I have a second browser now from a major vendor that I could live with if developers stop testing with FF or if too many sites are broken using it for any reason.
Re:Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0 by wolco on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @02:16PM (#24063830)
Chrome opens up files and slows everything down windows 7.

Using chrome once it loads with everything else shutdown seems fast.

Firefox is overall faster because of those issues. But firefox will use too much memory and kill itself in time. But has gotten better at killing itself without killing everything else.

Re:Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0 by infinityplus1 on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @12:05PM (#24062346)
I have to frequently open Google Meet in Chrome because other users can't see my screen while screen sharing using Firefox.
Re:Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0 by kiwijamo on Thursday August 06, 2020 @02:16AM (#24068553)
Interestingly, when we had lockdown in my country I tried using Google Meets in Chrome and it just shat itself. Switched to Firefox and Meets worked so much better in Firefox. Very strange...
Re:Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0 by BuckRogers on Thursday August 06, 2020 @12:57AM (#24068244)
It works fine in Edge as well if you don't want to support that sort of neglectful behavior by Google.
Re:Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0 by megous on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @12:50PM (#24062891)
They didn't manage to fix developer tools for like last 5-7 releases (despite multiple reports of it being broken). Network tab still messes up/merges unrelated requests together, and style editor shows completely garbage content every other reload, like this (probably related issue to the request confusion):

https://megous.com/dl/tmp/33d9622c7e53e3bc.png

https://megous.com/dl/tmp/8b3e50856a913236.png

I still use it as a primary browser even for development, but with issues like this being unresolved for almost a year, it's really hard.

Ever since the rewrite in React, it's really bad. First a massive performance regression (which improved over time, thankfully), but it still has major issues like the above.

Re:Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0 by megous on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @01:04PM (#24063049)
One wonders if it's just devtools or if the whole browser is leaking random data everywhere. It certainly doesn't inspire confidence.
Re:Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0 by ImaCake on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @06:16PM (#24066215)
I suspect the problem is that firefox sometimes performs poorly. But most power users don't see this problem because they either have firefox when it performs well or because they have a powerful computer.

For reasons I cannot understand, firefox on my 8GB RAM windows surface eats up huge amounts of memory. But it uses very little RAM with the same profile on my much more powerful desktop.

Re:Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0 by heavyset_go on Thursday August 06, 2020 @01:03PM (#24072932)
Some extensions have memory leaks. There might be a discrepancy between the extensions you have installed or their versions.
Re:Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0 by seventh-chord on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @12:52PM (#24062910)
Im unable to book flights with local airlines via firefox because the payment popup gets blocked with no warning. Sure, I can figure out whats going on and use a different browser, but it's terrible UX.
Re:Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0 by indigochill on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @12:56PM (#24062957)
Not even the tiny little box in the right side of the address bar that says a popup was blocked? I've seen blocked pop-ups there before, but never heard of or seen Firefox block a pop-up with absolutely no feedback.
Re:Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0 by prox on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @02:57PM (#24064256)
Might be a dhtml (Div) popup, dynamically generated. Those are harder to block.
Re:Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0 by evolve2k on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @02:49PM (#24064161)
Chrome offers this quiet magical feature called ‘tab to search’, Firefox allows you to make custom search key shortcuts but you need to make each of them. It’s just not as easy to use and is a killer feature that’s very fast/useful and missed for anyone who uses it and tries to switch away to Firefox.

It’s the only thing that keeps pulling me back to Chrome, as well as many others I’ve seen discuss it in forums over the years.

There’s no Firefox extension to add it and as Firefox users don’t have it they don’t miss it.

Really, sort this, you’ll quietly unlock a bunch more switches.

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1177556

Re:Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0 by ric2b on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @03:29PM (#24064578)
I just have duckduckgo as my default search engine, that way I can use the bangs to search almost any site that's even remotely mainstream by starting my search with !w (wikipedia), !y (youtube) !hn (hacker news), !g (google), etc.
Re:Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0 by WorldMaker on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @04:45PM (#24065406)
There is related functionality built-in to Firefox (since basically forever) you can assign keywords to any installed search provider and then search that specific search engine by prefixing your search with the keyword you assigned. So you could assign !g directly in Firefox options and Firefox will take you directly to Google for that search (no need for the intermediate duckduckgo).

You can add things like YouTube etc as well so long as they have "OpenSearch" metadata. (Presumably what Chrome is using for "tab to search"?) [1]

[1] https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/add-or-remove-search-en...

Re:Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0 by heavyset_go on Thursday August 06, 2020 @01:07PM (#24072980)
Firefox is getting rid of, or has already got rid off, OpenSearch integrations[1].

What you're describing is a bookmark substitution search feature that's independent of OpenSearch, and Mozilla calls the feature keyword searches[2].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSearch#Support

[2] http://kb.mozillazine.org/Using_keyword_searches

Re:Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0 by WorldMaker on Thursday August 06, 2020 @02:03PM (#24073697)
My understanding is that Firefox still uses the OpenSearch metadata shallowly as the easiest way to create the "keyword search bookmarks" rather than writing a bookmark by hand (though your second link was what I was looking for on how to do that and it seems quite easy/convenient to do yourself if you had to). I don't believe that shallow auto-bookmark discovery is/will be dropped, they dropped a more complicated add-on/extension-based approach that supported more OpenSearch features.
Re:Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0 by heavyset_go on Thursday August 06, 2020 @06:59PM (#24076315)
Thanks for taking the time to explain the change, it looks like you're correct.
Re:Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0 by typon on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @02:48PM (#24064158)
NetflixParty is the only extension that I actually use that isn't on Firefox. I wish someone made a clone. I wonder if there's something technical preventing that from happening.
Re:Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0 by ffpip on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @02:53PM (#24064205)
Re:Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0 by typon on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @02:54PM (#24064209)
how the hell didnt i find this before...
Re:Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0 by l3s2d on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @03:13PM (#24064399)
There is Metastream (https://getmetastream.com/), but it doesn't seem as easy to use.
Re:Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0 by heavyset_go on Thursday August 06, 2020 @12:57PM (#24072861)
Last year, I was on a Zoom call where I shared my screen, and several web developers asked if I "seriously still use Firefox" as if I was stuck in 2005.
Re:Latest Firefox rolls out Enhanced Tracking Protection 2.0 by cgs on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @01:31PM (#24063321)
I've had issues with audio on Apple TV glitching out on Firefox. Only thing I use Chrome for