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Re:One-third of New York’s small businesses may be gone forever by tick_tock_tick on Monday August 03, 2020 @08:03PM (#24045005)
Government issued ID's are not mandatory nor is seatbelt use on any private property.
Re:One-third of New York’s small businesses may be gone forever by fouc on Monday August 03, 2020 @10:03PM (#24045768)
and mask use on private property wouldn't be mandatory either
Re:One-third of New York’s small businesses may be gone forever by bargle0 on Monday August 03, 2020 @10:33PM (#24045943)
Most businesses are on private property.
Re:One-third of New York’s small businesses may be gone forever by freetanga on Monday August 03, 2020 @11:24PM (#24046226)
But need a public license to operate which could be revoked unilaterally by a government
Re:One-third of New York’s small businesses may be gone forever by rumanator on Monday August 03, 2020 @10:49PM (#24046034)
It seems you're entirely oblivious to the fundament difference between discussing property ownership and whether a space is opened to the public.
Re:One-third of New York’s small businesses may be gone forever by bargle0 on Monday August 03, 2020 @11:34PM (#24046281)
Don’t assume ignorance on my part. Words have meaning, and I think the distinction is important. There is a fundamental difference between regulating public spaces and private businesses, and we should treat that with the seriousness it’s due.

For what it’s worth, I think a mask order is reasonable.

Re:One-third of New York’s small businesses may be gone forever by crusty on Tuesday August 04, 2020 @01:32AM (#24046957)
Assumptions not required. Spaces open to the public does not equal Public spaces. Public spaces are necessarily spaces open to the public but spaces open to the public are not necessarily public spaces.

Also, think of a man as underwear for your face. You can strut around your house naked all you want, but you can't walk down the street that way, and I'm fairly certain the grocery store can't unilaterally decide to be a nudist friendly operation either. If the Venn diagram of places where you can be legally naked and places you can not wear a mask were basically the same, the original commenter' version of "everywhere" would be sufficiently met.

Re:One-third of New York’s small businesses may be gone forever by rumanator on Monday August 03, 2020 @10:06PM (#24045789)
> Government issued ID's are not mandatory

Perhaps not in the US, but it's mandated in pretty much across all western society.

And the US's refusal to adopt a standard ID system also leads to pseudo-ID schemes and proxies such as social security numbers and driver's license.

> nor is seatbelt use on any private property.

That's a great example.because no one is requiring anyone to wear facemasks while they are in their own home. The key take should be that the goal of these measures is to mitigate the risk that a specific threat poses to the public. You are required to wear a seatbelt while driving in public roads because the risk of being involved in a traffic accident is relatively high. You are required to wear a face mask in public because the risk of transmitting the virus is relatively high. Once you cease to be in public then the risk you pose to others is negligible.

Re:One-third of New York’s small businesses may be gone forever by AdmiralGinge on Tuesday August 04, 2020 @07:02AM (#24048695)
It's not in the UK, we have a serious political taboo against what's seen as a "papers please" kind of authoritarianism. Tony Blair tried to introduce mandatory ID cards and even with his massive majority it was politically impossible.

The ironic thing is that despite this widespread attitude, we have genuinely scary levels of mass surveillance.

Re:One-third of New York’s small businesses may be gone forever by kube-system on Monday August 03, 2020 @11:05PM (#24046127)
> And the US's refusal to adopt a standard ID system

We do have a standardized ID system: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_ID_Act

Re:One-third of New York’s small businesses may be gone forever by zaarn on Tuesday August 04, 2020 @11:24AM (#24050889)
It's not mandatory
Re:One-third of New York’s small businesses may be gone forever by ac29 on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @03:32PM (#24064620)
It is if you want to fly, starting next year (was supposed to be this year but was delayed).