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Re:Google announces Pixel 5, Pixel 4A 5G, and Pixel 4A by PossiblyKyle on Monday August 03, 2020 @12:12PM (#24039587)
One of the biggest reasons I'm happy with the increasing competition in the budget segments is that they're starting to make the 'right' sacrifices, slightly negating the distinctive features and advantages of flagship phones. Flagship phones will either have to adapt (introducing more useful features and not extra camera-bloat), or people will just keep buying the cheaper ones.
Re:Google announces Pixel 5, Pixel 4A 5G, and Pixel 4A by TremendousJudge on Monday August 03, 2020 @12:44PM (#24040024)
350 dollars is "budget"?
Re:Google announces Pixel 5, Pixel 4A 5G, and Pixel 4A by acdha on Monday August 03, 2020 @12:47PM (#24040064)
For something most people use many times a day with a multi-year lifespan? There’s a fascinating economics lesson in how many people are concerned by the cost of a phone but never mention the service plans which almost always cost more.
Re:Google announces Pixel 5, Pixel 4A 5G, and Pixel 4A by xenocyon on Monday August 03, 2020 @01:06PM (#24040376)
"Multi-year" is technically correct but a little rosy: Google cuts off software updates including security updates after 3 years, by which time one can also expect the hard-to-replace battery to be degraded, and increased probability of screen damage. Phones aren't really designed to be durable objects.

That said, I do appreciate Google's "a" variant of their recent phones for the emphasis on practicality and usability (headphone jack, battery capacity), and the $349 price tag doesn't seem extravagant for what you're getting. Mostly, I just wish they came in a smaller size.

Re:Google announces Pixel 5, Pixel 4A 5G, and Pixel 4A by ehsankia on Monday August 03, 2020 @05:45PM (#24043830)
2+ years is by definition multi-year.

At 350$, if you use it for 3 years (which is the minimum number of years it gets updates for), you would basically be paying more for your Netflix subscription than for your phone. And I'd wager most people use their phone much more than they do their Netflix.

Re:Google announces Pixel 5, Pixel 4A 5G, and Pixel 4A by acdha on Monday August 03, 2020 @01:32PM (#24040754)
Okay, so ignoring the fact that the iPhone SE exists, do the math even on the shorter lifetime: that's between $2-4 per week. That's not nothing but I would not think it precludes a “budget” label, especially given how much value people get out of their phones.
Re:Google announces Pixel 5, Pixel 4A 5G, and Pixel 4A by nordsieck on Monday August 03, 2020 @01:04PM (#24040345)
> There’s a fascinating economics lesson in how many people are concerned by the cost of a phone but never mention the service plans which almost always cost more.

This is the reason why "free phone" plans are so popular. IMO, it's always lower TCO to unbundle these "deals", but so many people only care about their maximum monthly cost.

Re:Google announces Pixel 5, Pixel 4A 5G, and Pixel 4A by acdha on Monday August 03, 2020 @01:34PM (#24040776)
Yes – it's just interesting to see how effective it is, even when people who are trying to be rational are explicitly thinking about costs.
Re:Google announces Pixel 5, Pixel 4A 5G, and Pixel 4A by jldugger on Monday August 03, 2020 @03:58PM (#24042606)
Service plans have really gotten cheap over time. Google Fi is like 24 bucks a month, and they're not even the cheap plan anymore.
Re:Google announces Pixel 5, Pixel 4A 5G, and Pixel 4A by bussierem on Monday August 03, 2020 @04:02PM (#24042653)
That kind of proves the point though even at 24 a month if you have the phone for 2 years then the plan was $576 while the phone was only 350. The phone would come out to $14 a month. Do you value your phone as worth less to you than Netflix?
Re:Google announces Pixel 5, Pixel 4A 5G, and Pixel 4A by djhworld on Monday August 03, 2020 @04:26PM (#24042944)
the 350 isn't factoring in the costs of calls/data etc.

it depends on how long you want to keep the phone for. I bought my phone in 2017 ago for £400 and I pay £8 a month to a carrier to get an allowance of data + calls every month (not a contract, I'm free to cancel any time) so it's worked out at about £18 a month if you amortise the initial outlay.

obviously contracts are more expensive, and can sometimes, albeit rarely, be cheaper, you just need to do the maths.

the bigger advantage to buying a phone outright is you're free to switch network/carrier as the phones are unlocked, at least in the UK anyway.

Re:Google announces Pixel 5, Pixel 4A 5G, and Pixel 4A by bussierem on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @08:56AM (#24060268)
I mean sure it's not factoring in cost of calls data but that's not specific to a phone so if you're comparing phone prices (and not plan prices) then the data and calls are irrelevant to the conversation
Re:Google announces Pixel 5, Pixel 4A 5G, and Pixel 4A by JohnTHaller on Monday August 03, 2020 @03:34PM (#24042300)
$349 for a phone that will get full OS updates for 3 years works out to $9.69 per month. That's pretty solid.

The competing Apple variant (lower res HDish screen but much faster CPU) is the iPhone SE 128GB for $449. It will probably get OS updates for 5 years which works out to $7.48 per month.

Re:Google announces Pixel 5, Pixel 4A 5G, and Pixel 4A by dont__panic on Monday August 03, 2020 @04:55PM (#24043290)
Keep in mind two significant caveats:

- phone batteries basically on last 2 years or less (iPhones are rated to 80% capacity after 500 cycles), which means your phone will last 4/5 as long as it did when new and possibly shut off prematurely in cold/hot temperatures unless you pay for a battery replacement ($50-100+)

- since we bring phones with us pretty much anywhere, a random fall in a pool, an unforseen rain storm, or butterfingers over a hard surface could end up destroying your phone well before those points.

While the SE (2020) certainly has more potential life than the 4a, both phones become fairly useless after 3 years due to the battery concern anyway and might not make it that far depending on who's using them. At that point, the 64GB larger storage, nicer screen, better camera, and $50 lower price of the 4a becomes a competitive advantage.

Re:Google announces Pixel 5, Pixel 4A 5G, and Pixel 4A by snazz on Monday August 03, 2020 @05:18PM (#24043586)
Batteries last more like five years, in my experience, although it does depend on your usage patterns. I'm about 300 cycles in and still at 98% capacity on my iPhone 8.
Re:Google announces Pixel 5, Pixel 4A 5G, and Pixel 4A by AdrianB1 on Monday August 03, 2020 @07:59PM (#24044970)
All these comparisons are misleading. I call "budget" the phone I bought for my mother for less than $100 (an Asus, for the matter) or the $150 Asus I bought for my father, you call "budget" phones in the $350-450 range that I would call mid-range. We may be both right, I guess.
Re:Google announces Pixel 5, Pixel 4A 5G, and Pixel 4A by JohnTHaller on Monday August 03, 2020 @09:42PM (#24045635)
Those budget phones are generally insecure from day one (many months out of date on security patches) and often never get security patches at all.
Re:Google announces Pixel 5, Pixel 4A 5G, and Pixel 4A by AdrianB1 on Tuesday August 04, 2020 @05:52AM (#24048332)
This changes absolutely nothing in the discussion about what is a budget phone.
Re:Google announces Pixel 5, Pixel 4A 5G, and Pixel 4A by ako on Monday August 03, 2020 @03:43PM (#24042411)
Bought my son a Nokia 5.3 for 180 euros, completely surprised by how well it works. If I had to buy my own phone (currently have a company iPhone 11) I would seriously consider the Nokia 5.3 for myself.
Re:Google announces Pixel 5, Pixel 4A 5G, and Pixel 4A by rand49an on Monday August 03, 2020 @06:22PM (#24044171)
Had a Nokia 7.1 for a few years now. Really nice phone, still very quick and the battery easily last 2 days (still). Cost £190 when new. Not sure why people pay more really.
Re:Google announces Pixel 5, Pixel 4A 5G, and Pixel 4A by kumarharsh on Monday August 03, 2020 @03:50PM (#24042497)
Got my mother a Nokia 7.3 - it's a very good phone priced competitively, with a nearly pure Android experience and on time updates with Android one. Peace of mind!
Re:Google announces Pixel 5, Pixel 4A 5G, and Pixel 4A by noelsusman on Monday August 03, 2020 @04:40PM (#24043116)
The 5.3 is a great phone. The Pixel 4a has a better screen and better camera (kinda), but at $200 in the US it's a fantastic value for what you get.
Re:Google announces Pixel 5, Pixel 4A 5G, and Pixel 4A by JohnTHaller on Monday August 03, 2020 @09:44PM (#24045649)
How frequently do you get updates? My friends have gotten cheap Android phones in the past and updates were abysmal.
Re:Google announces Pixel 5, Pixel 4A 5G, and Pixel 4A by NuDinNou on Monday August 03, 2020 @11:49PM (#24046368)
Nokia 5.3 is part of Android One, so security updates for 3 years are not a problem
Re:Google announces Pixel 5, Pixel 4A 5G, and Pixel 4A by jdhawk on Monday August 03, 2020 @05:54PM (#24043913)
so in Nokia-land, the major version is the "class" of phone, while the minor version is the date revision?

5.3 being newer than the 7.2, but down one class in "feature set"?

Re:Google announces Pixel 5, Pixel 4A 5G, and Pixel 4A by bilger on Monday August 03, 2020 @06:34PM (#24044278)
That is roughly correct, although the 6.X series exists for Nokia devices.
Re:Google announces Pixel 5, Pixel 4A 5G, and Pixel 4A by askafriend on Monday August 03, 2020 @12:52PM (#24040126)
Absolutely. My phone pays for itself many times over. I don't even consider the cost these days.

It's more valuable than my car (to me).

Re:Google announces Pixel 5, Pixel 4A 5G, and Pixel 4A by xeromal on Monday August 03, 2020 @12:50PM (#24040112)
For a device that keeps you in touch with the world while providing quality camera features and music capabilities for 2 years or more, yeah, $350 is a fine price.
Re:Google announces Pixel 5, Pixel 4A 5G, and Pixel 4A by KerrickStaley on Monday August 03, 2020 @12:49PM (#24040082)
Yes. The Pixel 4's launch price was $800 for the basic configuration, the S10 launched at $900, and the iPhone 11 (which is actually more mid-range in Apple's lineup than "flagship") launched at $700.
Re:Google announces Pixel 5, Pixel 4A 5G, and Pixel 4A by Krasnol on Monday August 03, 2020 @01:11PM (#24040449)
Only because there are more expensive phones and where the high price is even part of the marketing, doesn't make that one "budget". There are also many cheaper phones. China is full of them.
Re:Google announces Pixel 5, Pixel 4A 5G, and Pixel 4A by AdrianB1 on Monday August 03, 2020 @07:55PM (#24044935)
It is relative. For people comparing to $1000 phones this is very "budget", compared to my Asus $250 phone that lives on average 3 days between changes, it is not. Compared to my previous phone, the Nexus 5X I bought for $350, it's in the same range, just newer. I see you are downvoted a lot, I disagree with this reaction.
Re:Google announces Pixel 5, Pixel 4A 5G, and Pixel 4A by rattray on Monday August 03, 2020 @01:12PM (#24040459)
Given that flagship phones are $800-$1000, yes, that's the high end of budget or the low end of mid-range.
Re:Google announces Pixel 5, Pixel 4A 5G, and Pixel 4A by triceratops on Monday August 03, 2020 @04:57PM (#24043314)
For adults with jobs in developed countries. You're right that it would be considered mid-range or pricey in developing countries.