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Re:Google announces Pixel 5, Pixel 4A 5G, and Pixel 4A by JohnTHaller on Monday August 03, 2020 @03:34PM (#24042300)
$349 for a phone that will get full OS updates for 3 years works out to $9.69 per month. That's pretty solid.

The competing Apple variant (lower res HDish screen but much faster CPU) is the iPhone SE 128GB for $449. It will probably get OS updates for 5 years which works out to $7.48 per month.

Re:Google announces Pixel 5, Pixel 4A 5G, and Pixel 4A by dont__panic on Monday August 03, 2020 @04:55PM (#24043290)
Keep in mind two significant caveats:

- phone batteries basically on last 2 years or less (iPhones are rated to 80% capacity after 500 cycles), which means your phone will last 4/5 as long as it did when new and possibly shut off prematurely in cold/hot temperatures unless you pay for a battery replacement ($50-100+)

- since we bring phones with us pretty much anywhere, a random fall in a pool, an unforseen rain storm, or butterfingers over a hard surface could end up destroying your phone well before those points.

While the SE (2020) certainly has more potential life than the 4a, both phones become fairly useless after 3 years due to the battery concern anyway and might not make it that far depending on who's using them. At that point, the 64GB larger storage, nicer screen, better camera, and $50 lower price of the 4a becomes a competitive advantage.

Re:Google announces Pixel 5, Pixel 4A 5G, and Pixel 4A by snazz on Monday August 03, 2020 @05:18PM (#24043586)
Batteries last more like five years, in my experience, although it does depend on your usage patterns. I'm about 300 cycles in and still at 98% capacity on my iPhone 8.
Re:Google announces Pixel 5, Pixel 4A 5G, and Pixel 4A by AdrianB1 on Monday August 03, 2020 @07:59PM (#24044970)
All these comparisons are misleading. I call "budget" the phone I bought for my mother for less than $100 (an Asus, for the matter) or the $150 Asus I bought for my father, you call "budget" phones in the $350-450 range that I would call mid-range. We may be both right, I guess.
Re:Google announces Pixel 5, Pixel 4A 5G, and Pixel 4A by JohnTHaller on Monday August 03, 2020 @09:42PM (#24045635)
Those budget phones are generally insecure from day one (many months out of date on security patches) and often never get security patches at all.
Re:Google announces Pixel 5, Pixel 4A 5G, and Pixel 4A by AdrianB1 on Tuesday August 04, 2020 @05:52AM (#24048332)
This changes absolutely nothing in the discussion about what is a budget phone.
Re:Google announces Pixel 5, Pixel 4A 5G, and Pixel 4A by ako on Monday August 03, 2020 @03:43PM (#24042411)
Bought my son a Nokia 5.3 for 180 euros, completely surprised by how well it works. If I had to buy my own phone (currently have a company iPhone 11) I would seriously consider the Nokia 5.3 for myself.
Re:Google announces Pixel 5, Pixel 4A 5G, and Pixel 4A by rand49an on Monday August 03, 2020 @06:22PM (#24044171)
Had a Nokia 7.1 for a few years now. Really nice phone, still very quick and the battery easily last 2 days (still). Cost £190 when new. Not sure why people pay more really.
Re:Google announces Pixel 5, Pixel 4A 5G, and Pixel 4A by kumarharsh on Monday August 03, 2020 @03:50PM (#24042497)
Got my mother a Nokia 7.3 - it's a very good phone priced competitively, with a nearly pure Android experience and on time updates with Android one. Peace of mind!
Re:Google announces Pixel 5, Pixel 4A 5G, and Pixel 4A by noelsusman on Monday August 03, 2020 @04:40PM (#24043116)
The 5.3 is a great phone. The Pixel 4a has a better screen and better camera (kinda), but at $200 in the US it's a fantastic value for what you get.
Re:Google announces Pixel 5, Pixel 4A 5G, and Pixel 4A by JohnTHaller on Monday August 03, 2020 @09:44PM (#24045649)
How frequently do you get updates? My friends have gotten cheap Android phones in the past and updates were abysmal.
Re:Google announces Pixel 5, Pixel 4A 5G, and Pixel 4A by NuDinNou on Monday August 03, 2020 @11:49PM (#24046368)
Nokia 5.3 is part of Android One, so security updates for 3 years are not a problem
Re:Google announces Pixel 5, Pixel 4A 5G, and Pixel 4A by jdhawk on Monday August 03, 2020 @05:54PM (#24043913)
so in Nokia-land, the major version is the "class" of phone, while the minor version is the date revision?

5.3 being newer than the 7.2, but down one class in "feature set"?

Re:Google announces Pixel 5, Pixel 4A 5G, and Pixel 4A by bilger on Monday August 03, 2020 @06:34PM (#24044278)
That is roughly correct, although the 6.X series exists for Nokia devices.