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Re:Put tiny businesses back into residential neighborhoods by novok on Thursday July 23, 2020 @11:36PM (#23935449)
And that is why you need tax penalties such as long term unoccupied property taxes and non-resident investor taxes to counter incentivize such behavior.
Re:Put tiny businesses back into residential neighborhoods by claudeganon on Thursday July 23, 2020 @11:49PM (#23935505)
I’m skeptical that taxes themselves can resolve the problem. The people who engage in these tactics are already quite good at gaming them. Housing would have to revert to circumstances like Japan, where homes are largely a depreciating asset.
Re:Put tiny businesses back into residential neighborhoods by throw737 on Friday July 24, 2020 @12:02AM (#23935583)
Replace portion of income tax with simple property tax. No complicated stuff like "unoccupied property taxes and non-resident investor taxes".
Re:Put tiny businesses back into residential neighborhoods by bobthepanda on Friday July 24, 2020 @12:32AM (#23935757)
Even better than property tax, land value tax.

Charging tax on property (building + land) mostly just disincentivizes more intensive buildings.

Re:Put tiny businesses back into residential neighborhoods by bluGill on Friday July 24, 2020 @08:27AM (#23938653)
The land value should be taxed, but it isn't a simple answer. Large buildings imply more people which mean more use of city services. I'm not sure what the right answer is, but I am sure simple answers that would fit into a comment box here are wrong.
Re:Put tiny businesses back into residential neighborhoods by bobthepanda on Friday July 24, 2020 @12:46PM (#23941644)
If you want to tax things to cover the cost of more people then it makes more sense to tax the people.
Re:Put tiny businesses back into residential neighborhoods by bluGill on Friday July 24, 2020 @02:21PM (#23942835)
You obviously need to tax enough to cover the costs somehow.

Tax is also incentive. You want to tax things you want to discourage more than things that you want to encourage.

Re:Put tiny businesses back into residential neighborhoods by neutronicus on Friday July 24, 2020 @10:14AM (#23939756)
They should be, shouldn't they?

They're physical luxury goods that deteriorate as you use them, like cars. They appreciate largely because of nearby corporate and government investment (in office complices, schools, utilities).

That people make money off of them suggests that the government isn't being nearly aggressive enough about capturing the value it's creating here.

Re:Put tiny businesses back into residential neighborhoods by Spooky23 on Friday July 24, 2020 @11:44AM (#23940844)
It is really weird. My home is a wood-frame house >100 years old. Although some aspects are better than new construction, it seems weird that the underwriting is basically the same as a new property given the term of the loan I just refinanced. Even insurance is almost the same!

I can travel a mile down the road and due to a "bad" neighborhood, many properties are literally negative value. They sit till they burn because demolition is more costly than the value of the land.

Markets don't price risk well. Housing markets definitely don't price capital investments or liabilities more than 5 years out well.

Re:Put tiny businesses back into residential neighborhoods by claudeganon on Friday July 24, 2020 @11:35AM (#23940729)
Yes, I agree entirely. Removing socially necessary goods like food, housing, and healthcare from financialized speculation would resolve many that issues countries like the US face.
Re:Put tiny businesses back into residential neighborhoods by eecc on Friday July 24, 2020 @04:35AM (#23937137)
Well, in NL you were allowed to squat a property if it was vacant for more that a certain amount of time. Then the local Liberals (Mark Rutte) outlawed squatting and it’s basically like the parent comment described.