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Re:Q2 2020 Update by qeternity on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @05:32PM (#23921842)
For bulls, TSLA isn’t a car company. It’s the climate change company. They are the best bet right now to upend the entire power mix.

I’m not saying I agree with this. Even if achieved, the amount of future success being priced in today is extraordinary. Combine that with a stock that’s become “cool” to own with retail, and the huge short interest...and well it starts to make sense.

TSLA price action at the moment is really down to a lack of sellers. Shorts have been bent over in a way not seen at this scale since (ironically) VW. Simply put: everyone who has said TSLA is overbought has paid dearly. The bubble will burst, but it’s never shorts that pop bubbles.

Re:Q2 2020 Update by thecopy on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @05:37PM (#23921891)
>It’s the climate change company

What does this mean? ELI5 pls

Re:Q2 2020 Update by darawk on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @05:49PM (#23921985)
It means that all the dollars that people expect to eventually spend fighting climate change will largely be captured by Tesla.
Re:Q2 2020 Update by iddqd on Thursday July 23, 2020 @12:24PM (#23929024)
Their mission statement is “to accelerate the world's transition to sustainable energy”, not “make nice cars”.
Re:Q2 2020 Update by bradly on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @06:16PM (#23922209)
Every house/business with solar roof and battery wall, with the elimination of energy utility monopoly across most of the world. Same thing spacex is doing for broadband and their are other companies pushing for self-contained residential water systems as well (although this one is harder for the public to swallow than the others).
Re:Q2 2020 Update by WJW on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @05:50PM (#23921995)
They mean that in the mind of "the general public", Tesla is the foremost company "doing stuff" about climate change. Therefore, by owning Tesla stock you can get warm glowy feels about making a difference. You might also gain coolness points by mentioning that you are "a Tesla investor" to people that care about such matters.
Re:Q2 2020 Update by ncallaway on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @06:24PM (#23922256)
I may be wrong—I own no TSLA and I'm pretty much the furthest thing from a professional investor—but I didn't think the comment about being "the climate change" company was actually about warm fuzzies, I thought it was about the potential financial upside.

My understanding is that very likely—whatever green energy technologies win out—energy storage and load shifting will be a major issue.

The entities that can build energy and power storage effectively and at scale will have a new and large market opening before them.

Tesla is in a decent position—by being near the front-edge of battery production and scaling there's real room for Tesla to be a major player in the world energy market.

Re:Q2 2020 Update by qeternity on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @06:05PM (#23922120)
There’s an element of this amongst retail but I’m talking about professionals. A diversified portfolio has to have some aggressive do or die growth stocks. TSLA is (or was) probably the best of this breed. So if you’re going to own a change-the-world-or-die-trying stock, TSLA is the go to for many.
Re:Q2 2020 Update by megablast on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @06:25PM (#23922260)
How do you make money on climate change? Buying Tesla is one way.
Re:Q2 2020 Update by justapassenger on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @07:01PM (#23922497)
> It’s the climate change company

One (extreme) way of looking at it, is that it's a company that's enabling climate change, at a tiny scale (as they aren't really that big).

Regulatory credits, that are driving their profitability, is selling other car manufactures ability to produce gas-guzzling vehicles.

Re:Q2 2020 Update by SaltyLemonZest on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @08:05PM (#23922875)
There are reasons to believe they might soon be that big. I'm not saying it's close to a sure bet, but in the Netherlands and Norway they're already the top selling brand - I think any reasonable analysis has to admit the possibility that they might soon replicate that success in larger countries.
Re:Q2 2020 Update by justapassenger on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @08:29PM (#23923000)
You need to check your data. Netherlands and Norway are markets where Tesla is failing extremely hard once competition showed up. They used to be one of the top selling brands, 1-2 years ago. Since then, their market share plummeted.

For Norway, in 2020, for all car sales, Model 3 is in the 6th place, and with 1-4th place occupied by BEV from "legacy" car companies [1]. Model S/X sales are basically gone. Their market share of EV went from over 30%, to well under 10% in just a year [2].

In Netherlands, their sales also plummeted. While model 3 is still best selling EV there [3], lead isn't wide, and they only have 13% of overall EV market, at mere ~2700 cars.

And this is HUGE drop from 2019. In 2019, they sold almost 30k cars [4]. Annualized that's over 80% drop.

[1] https://cleantechnica.com/2020/07/09/69-of-autos-sold-in-nor... [2] https://i.redd.it/amrtc9yhl9851.png [3] https://www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tesmanian-blog/tesla-model-3... [4] https://insideevs.com/news/391681/plugin-car-sales-netherlan...

Re:Q2 2020 Update by Tuna-Fish on Thursday July 23, 2020 @05:30AM (#23925613)
In both the Netherlands and Norway that happened because there were limited-time incentives that ran out, so Tesla shipped disproportionate amounts of cars for the last few quarters when they were still available.

Both the "n% of new cars are Teslas" and the "instant n% drop in Tesla sales" news stories are red herrings. They were both artificially caused by where Tesla allocated their production.

The only signal you can extract from this data is basically that the demand for Teslas well exceeds the company's capability to manufacture them, as whichever country or region they allocate more of their production towards will see a corresponding sales spike. This is mildly positive, but given how long it takes to expand production, I still don't think you can justify the share price on this. Right now, if Tesla had much more cars available, they'd be able to sell them. However, by the time they have ramped up production to match the demand, competitors might have something that matches them.

Re:Q2 2020 Update by justapassenger on Thursday July 23, 2020 @11:09AM (#23928135)
You’re contradicting yourself. First you say it’s because of initiatives and then it’s because of where Tesla allocates their production.

I fully agree that regulatory credits were big part of that growth and drop, in Netherlands. But the story that sticks to people is wrong one, that Tesla dominates Netherlands and demand for them is huge, and Tesla is posed to dominate all markets in the world. It was demand for free money from government. And while one can argue that other governments will have similar initiatives, that will allow Tesla to play this game for years, competition in EV space is growing, so they’re unlikely to get such a big piece of pie there.

There was no regulatory change in Norway. Tesla brand got pretty badly bruised, with lots of stories in Norway about subpar service. And, most importantly, real competition arrived, while their portfolio is aging (model 3 is 3 years old design, model y is model 3 with a lift kit, and model s/x are way way due for redesign).

But I do see your point, that this all can be attributed to Tesla being production constrained. Except, that Tesla keeps on dropping prices and offering initiatives to push more sales.

Why not push more cars to one of the wealthiest nation on earth (Norway), where EV are ridiculously competitive to ICE cars, due to taxes? Why instead keep on dropping prices, while company is pushing really hard to be profitable?

Re:Q2 2020 Update by SaltyLemonZest on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @08:34PM (#23923029)
I don't have time to dig in right now, but that does sound pretty bad for them.