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Re:Drug cartel ‘narco-antennas’ make life dangerous for Mexi... by randyrand on Friday July 17, 2020 @08:18PM (#23877659)
How well armed are they? I know a common refrain against the 2nd ammendment is that guns don't matter much against tanks, helicopters, missles, etc.
Re:Drug cartel ‘narco-antennas’ make life dangerous for Mexi... by alasdair_ on Friday July 17, 2020 @08:29PM (#23877744)
Very.

And it’s not just arms, it’s military training and procedures. The cartel mentioned most often in the article (the Zetas) literally WERE the army - they were special forces and commandos that decided to become the muscle for the Gulf Cartel because it paid more.

Then the Gulf Cartel learned the problems of relying on mercenaries when the Zetas turned on them as well, becoming one of the most dominant cartels in the world.

Anyway, to answer your question: the cartels have tanks, helicopters, ships, submarines, mortars, grenades and missiles.

Many of them are crude versions of course (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narco_tank) but it’s definitely not just small arms fire.

A bunch of highly trained ex-commandos with billions in budget and hundreds of thousands of “troops” (in aggregate) that doesn’t much care about hurting civilians can do a lot of damage.

Re:Drug cartel ‘narco-antennas’ make life dangerous for Mexi... by noir_lord on Saturday July 18, 2020 @03:57AM (#23879839)
> There was a general shifting of position and a group clearing of throats.

> 'What about mercenaries?' said Boggis.

> 'The problem with mercenaries,' said the Patrician, 'is that they need to be paid to start fighting. And, unless you are very lucky, you end up paying them even more to stop -'

(from the book Jingo by Sir Terry Pratchett).

Re:Drug cartel ‘narco-antennas’ make life dangerous for Mexi... by 082349872349872 on Saturday July 18, 2020 @01:36PM (#23883079)
I had the impression that cartels, north of the border, prefer mail bombs to bullets. Yet the narco tanks that image search gives me are uniformly flat-bottomed, suggesting that IEDs are not common south of the border.
Re:Drug cartel ‘narco-antennas’ make life dangerous for Mexi... by cookie_monsta on Friday July 17, 2020 @08:41PM (#23877827)
A few years ago there was a live news broadcast on Mexican TV of a running downtown street battle between the cops/feds/army and one of the cartels. I think it was in Juarez. We watched in real time as the state forces retreated, outmanned and outgunned.

It's so different to the reality that most of us inhabit that it's hard to imagine.

Re:Drug cartel ‘narco-antennas’ make life dangerous for Mexi... by jwilber on Friday July 17, 2020 @09:56PM (#23878274)
Less than a year ago a cartel literally out-gunned the government to recapture the cartel head’s son from the police [0].

They literally overpowered and brought the city to a standstill.

They run Mexico, no illusions anymore. Still a beautiful place to visit fwiw.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Culiacán

Re:Drug cartel ‘narco-antennas’ make life dangerous for Mexi... by ponker on Saturday July 18, 2020 @03:07AM (#23879646)
Going for a capture rather than a kill was the core mistake in this operation. Shoulda just droned him.
Re:Drug cartel ‘narco-antennas’ make life dangerous for Mexi... by licebmi__at__ on Friday July 17, 2020 @10:01PM (#23878301)
It might have been Sinaloa, where the police captured one of the sons of "El chapo". There was actually something fishy about that event, and some even think it was a setup of the local government against the federal government.
Re:Drug cartel ‘narco-antennas’ make life dangerous for Mexi... by cookie_monsta on Friday July 17, 2020 @10:16PM (#23878365)
No doubt there was extreme fishiness involved. One common trait of most corrupt societies is the concentration of power at the top of the pyramid, and how the same few names and families keep popping up all over the landscape.
Re:Drug cartel ‘narco-antennas’ make life dangerous for Mexi... by gbrown on Friday July 17, 2020 @11:41PM (#23878704)
Re:Drug cartel ‘narco-antennas’ make life dangerous for Mexi... by sudosysgen on Saturday July 18, 2020 @01:40AM (#23879298)
Strategically that seems like the time where you should start using air power.
Re:Drug cartel ‘narco-antennas’ make life dangerous for Mexi... by mycall on Saturday July 18, 2020 @04:27PM (#23884549)
One F-16 could take them out all in 60 seconds.
Re:Drug cartel ‘narco-antennas’ make life dangerous for Mexi... by loeg on Friday July 17, 2020 @09:17PM (#23878048)
The current Mexican cartels are offshoots of the military / federal police. A large part of their military / police organization is taking bribes, if not outright working for cartels. It's tragic. They are well armed and more importantly, know how to use them.
Re:Drug cartel ‘narco-antennas’ make life dangerous for Mexi... by dragonwriter on Friday July 17, 2020 @09:20PM (#23878081)
> The current Mexican cartels are offshoots of the military / federal police.

Only the Zetas are really “offshoots”, having been started by former anti-drug special forces IIRC, the rest are more business partners.

Re:Drug cartel ‘narco-antennas’ make life dangerous for Mexi... by loeg on Friday July 17, 2020 @09:23PM (#23878099)
Per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Drug_War#Government_co... ,

> In May 2010 an NPR report collected allegations from dozens of sources, including U.S. and Mexican media, Mexican police officials, politicians, academics, and others, that Sinaloa Cartel had infiltrated and corrupted the Mexican federal government and the Mexican military by bribery and other means. According to a report by the U.S. Army Intelligence section in Leavenworth, over a 6-year period, of the 250,000 soldiers in the Mexican Army, 150,000 deserted and went into the drug industry.