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Re:UFO VPN claims zero-logs policy, leaks 20M user logs by bitxbitxbitcoin on Friday July 17, 2020 @07:40PM (#23877356)
Piggybacking off of this, Private Internet Access (PIA) has actually had their no logging policy "proven in court" via this method multiple times. [1][2]

Full disclosure: I work at PIA.

[1]https://torrentfreak.com/vpn-providers-no-logging-claims-tes...

[2]https://torrentfreak.com/private-internet-access-no-logging-...

Re:UFO VPN claims zero-logs policy, leaks 20M user logs by TedDoesntTalk on Friday July 17, 2020 @08:34PM (#23877779)
I wouldn't trust PIA for anything.

The whole company is shrouded in secrecy. After speaking at length with an ex-employee of PIA who now maintains this open-source iOS VPN client:

https://passepartoutvpn.app/

many (most?) employees and contractors at PIA have no idea of the identify of their direct managers.

Imagine working for a company and not knowing your manager's real name. Now imagine trusting that company with your internet traffic.

Re:UFO VPN claims zero-logs policy, leaks 20M user logs by airstrike on Saturday July 18, 2020 @12:57AM (#23879077)
Disgruntled employees aren't necessarily the least biased sources one can find
Re:UFO VPN claims zero-logs policy, leaks 20M user logs by TedDoesntTalk on Saturday July 18, 2020 @10:51AM (#23881764)
Who said he is disgruntled?
Re:UFO VPN claims zero-logs policy, leaks 20M user logs by Causality1 on Saturday July 18, 2020 @01:25AM (#23879224)
Has PIA solved that issue a lot of providers have where services like Google voice recognition just fail to work better than half the time? I presently use AirVPN to bypass my carrier's video streaming limits but barely being able to use Assistant is a pain.
Re:UFO VPN claims zero-logs policy, leaks 20M user logs by pbhjpbhj on Friday July 17, 2020 @07:46PM (#23877408)
Is there any way to prove that is not NSA, say, and set up to only catch the biggest fish, or to always present parallel construction for criminals caught this way?
Re:UFO VPN claims zero-logs policy, leaks 20M user logs by bdcravens on Friday July 17, 2020 @07:51PM (#23877435)
Of course you can't prove that, any more than you can't prove that YCombinator or FastMail aren't similar NSA operatives.
Re:UFO VPN claims zero-logs policy, leaks 20M user logs by bitxbitxbitcoin on Friday July 17, 2020 @07:52PM (#23877444)
Re:UFO VPN claims zero-logs policy, leaks 20M user logs by pbhjpbhj on Friday July 17, 2020 @08:23PM (#23877690)
I like you. I tend towards pyrhonism (or maybe I don't!) so I appreciate that response.

Degree of proof is a relative: Maybe a terror organisation use PIA, NSA go fishing for evidence PIA has nothing. Terror org assassinate NSA head. PIA could be a front, but NSA head had to be willing to lose his life to hide the fakery, and terror org wasn't a big enough fish ... more likely you're currently in a coma. Lots of places for false premises to creep in.

Dial it back, is there a point where there'd ever be enough evidence?