UFO VPN claims zero-logs policy, leaks 20M user logs

Re:UFO VPN claims zero-logs policy, leaks 20M user logs by pbhjpbhj on Friday July 17, 2020 @07:46PM (#23877408)

Is there any way to prove that is not NSA, say, and set up to only catch the biggest fish, or to always present parallel construction for criminals caught this way?

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Re:UFO VPN claims zero-logs policy, leaks 20M user logs by bdcravens on Friday July 17, 2020 @07:51PM (#23877435)

Of course you can't prove that, any more than you can't prove that YCombinator or FastMail aren't similar NSA operatives.

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Re:UFO VPN claims zero-logs policy, leaks 20M user logs by bitxbitxbitcoin on Friday July 17, 2020 @07:52PM (#23877444)

That's an interesting philosophical question.[1][2]

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)#P... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_absence

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Re:UFO VPN claims zero-logs policy, leaks 20M user logs by pbhjpbhj on Friday July 17, 2020 @08:23PM (#23877690)

I like you. I tend towards pyrhonism (or maybe I don't!) so I appreciate that response.

Degree of proof is a relative: Maybe a terror organisation use PIA, NSA go fishing for evidence PIA has nothing. Terror org assassinate NSA head. PIA could be a front, but NSA head had to be willing to lose his life to hide the fakery, and terror org wasn't a big enough fish ... more likely you're currently in a coma. Lots of places for false premises to creep in.

Dial it back, is there a point where there'd ever be enough evidence?

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