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Re:Lessons from the awkward life and death of the Segway by raiyu on Friday July 17, 2020 @05:57PM (#23876404)
The segway failed because of product market fit.

As a product it was very interesting, but it had pitfalls. It wasn't exactly clear where to store it. The people who saw it all had houses and garages, but for the everyday user in the city hard to figure out where you would put it after each use. Even bicycles are challenging to store in NYC, which is why Citibike is interesting.

The second problem and much larger was the price point. If you want something to succeed you have to price it so that you can gain mass appeal. The $5,000-10,000 price point is a dead zone. As consumers we almost never spend this amount of money.

We spend hundreds of dollars all the time.

We spend a thousand or two thousand dollars infrequently, but we do it. Computers, vacations, some furniture.

But when you get to $5,000+ that is a price we pay very rarely. It is actually more common to find something more expensive, such as $10,000+ for a car, then to find $5,000. As a result it was hard to figure out where that price fit in.

Also, no one thought of subsidizing the cost. With the iPhone, it's expensive, but you have the carrier to subsidize the cost and more importantly create a monthly payment plan. If you could at least convert $5,000 to some sort of monthly fee that would help.

So what they really failed at is distribution. In fact if they planned around distribution they could have actually jumped on the entire citibike, jump, etc market before it ever existed.

It would also mean that customers wouldn't need to pay $5,000 out of pocket and instead could pay per use or a monthly fee.

Often people discount distribution when it comes to product market fit and failures.

Lastly, riding a bicycle is rather awkward. Think about learning it as a kid. It's counter intuitive. A bike can't stand on it's own, you have to pedal to go, if you stop it falls over. Though it is extremely unintuitive, it is cheap, you can try it, it has a culture, and is a rite of passage. So we learn this behavior even though it doesn't make sense.

The Segway is also counterintuitive in some ways. Looking at people riding them, never gives you a sense of confidence. There are also plenty of videos of people falling off of them, similar to bicycles.

But with a much higher starting point you aren't really tempted to try it, or even have access to one to test it out to see if it becomes intuitive or not.

Lastly, our cities aren't designed for this type of commute. People drive, they can take the subway, but the number of people that commute outside of that on bicycles is small in the US. In Europe like in Amsterdam, the Segway takes up more space in a lane than a comparable bicycle, so it really wasn't an improvement. And since Americans aren't used to bicycles they though oh wow this is great! Europeans were like for $50-$150 one time I can have a bike that lasts forever, doesn't require charging, takes up less space, and I already own it.

Re:Lessons from the awkward life and death of the Segway by amelius on Friday July 17, 2020 @07:38PM (#23877335)
Also, standing isn't optimal for humans. Be honest, would you prefer to stand still for 30 minutes (like in a line), or would you rather walk for 30 minutes?
Re:Lessons from the awkward life and death of the Segway by sytelus on Saturday July 18, 2020 @02:15AM (#23879442)
Price was exactly the issues but bigger issue was Chinese copy cats. Segway focused on business deals instead of consumer market and by the time copy cats caught up with them, prices were slashed to 1/10th with no real differentiation.
Re:Lessons from the awkward life and death of the Segway by odysseus on Friday July 17, 2020 @07:17PM (#23877159)
Great comment, and insight on what most people spend. Thanks!

Segway should have quickly introduced a low-priced variant under $1000. Kind of like OneWheel has, although there is no shortage of OneWheel crash videos.

Re:Lessons from the awkward life and death of the Segway by jseliger on Friday July 17, 2020 @08:31PM (#23877756)
Oil prices are the other key. Around the year 2000, some thought we were at or near peak oil. If oil prices had risen above $200/barrel in the '00s, the Segway might have made its way in the market.

It's a bit like the Chevy Volt, a car that I see criticized on HN and elsewhere occasionally. It was conceived of at a time when future oil prices were uncertain, and, if they'd remained sustainably high, it would have been a huge hit. But Americans have short memories and don't actually care much about the environment, so it was a relative flop.

Re:Lessons from the awkward life and death of the Segway by jmchuster on Friday July 17, 2020 @09:15PM (#23878041)
Hmm, how do you then perceive the success of the Prius? It was similarly conceived at a time when oil prices were high and became a huge hit. And then every other manufacturer started producing their own hybrids in response.
Re:Lessons from the awkward life and death of the Segway by zbrozek on Saturday July 18, 2020 @09:22AM (#23881247)
I drove a first-gen Volt shortly after they were released. I hated it because of the cap-touch UI, the poor rear visibility, and the poor brake/regen blending. A couple of friends have later generations and love them, but that initial experience poisoned the well for me and I bought an older BMW instead. Given how little I drive, it's going to last at least another fifteen years.
Re:Lessons from the awkward life and death of the Segway by spaetzleesser on Friday July 17, 2020 @08:49PM (#23877876)
The Volt owners I have talked to all loved their car. I think Chevy has messed this up by not marketing the car.
Re:Lessons from the awkward life and death of the Segway by pureliquidhw on Saturday July 18, 2020 @12:52AM (#23879055)
I wonder why they didn't just create a Volt brand alongside Cadillac and all their others. Then to make the next Hummer an EV seems like a misguided recycle of the brand.