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Re:Who’s behind Wednesday’s epic Twitter hack? by djmetzle on Thursday July 16, 2020 @07:52PM (#23865258)
This.

We've entered a world where the lowest common denominator of information is being used as primary source for current events. That's asinine.

Re:Who’s behind Wednesday’s epic Twitter hack? by mansion7 on Thursday July 16, 2020 @08:21PM (#23865505)
That's partially because the sources formally seen as primary, at least in the US, have started to be viewed as biased and unreliable.

This is largely through their own actions. Examples are legion, but a recent one is debacle at NYT over an op-ed. The news-consuming public was able to view the shenanigans of NYT reporters and staffers, which would formerly been done being the scenes.

Many eyes were opened, and I'm certain I wasn't the only one thinking "These are the people in supposed to be trusting for my news and analysis?"

Re:Who’s behind Wednesday’s epic Twitter hack? by SyneRyder on Friday July 17, 2020 @01:39AM (#23867423)
>That's partially because the sources formally seen as primary...

Newspapers and news outlets aren't actually "primary source". If you read a quoted tweet from Obama in the New York Times, the NYT isn't the "primary source" - Obama is. The NYT is a secondary source that is quoting from primary source.

In that sense, Twitter is actually primary source, because Obama wrote the tweet. Well, except when Twitter is hacked, which is what makes this such a significant event.

(But I agree with your general comment, especially having been interviewed a few times and seen how most reporters work. There are a handful of good ones out there though.)

Re:Who’s behind Wednesday’s epic Twitter hack? by bosswipe on Friday July 17, 2020 @04:05AM (#23868297)
> This is largely through their own actions.

Or it could be the result of a decades long effort to attack credible authoritative institutions by forces that take a dim view of transparency and accountability.

Re:Who’s behind Wednesday’s epic Twitter hack? by skinkestek on Friday July 17, 2020 @02:25PM (#23873760)
Possible explanation. But I think it is more like someone took advantage of the situation after the news have been undermining their own credibility for decades.
Re:Who’s behind Wednesday’s epic Twitter hack? by mlindner on Friday July 17, 2020 @11:30PM (#23878656)
Accusations of grand conspiracy generally turn out to be false with sometimes a grain of truth.
Re:Who’s behind Wednesday’s epic Twitter hack? by TheKarateKid on Friday July 17, 2020 @12:31PM (#23872317)
It's also because these "credible" mainstream media sources started reporting non-credible information as factual. Much of this inaccurate information originates from Twitter.

If 200 people on Twitter are angry at politician X over something trivial, we are served a news headline of Person X accused of Y - Public calls for resignation.

An anonymous person on social media recently made a claim of sexual assault against Justin Bieber with no evidence whatsoever, and the media reports it as Justin Bieber accused of sexual assault. He was fortunate to immediately whip out numerous receipts countering the claims, but what if he couldn't? We would still be reading headlines about this baseless accusation.

Re:Who’s behind Wednesday’s epic Twitter hack? by blisseyGo on Thursday July 16, 2020 @10:06PM (#23866216)
I agree. I have been following the rule of not trusting any such significant news for 48 hours and sometimes even a week because often, news gets debunked or more info comes out.
Re:Who’s behind Wednesday’s epic Twitter hack? by dividedbyzero on Friday July 17, 2020 @03:45AM (#23868184)
I must have missed the example you mention, could you elaborate?
Re:Who’s behind Wednesday’s epic Twitter hack? by ergl on Friday July 17, 2020 @06:32AM (#23869109)
>is being used as primary source for current events

Is it though? According to Pew, only 20% of US adults use Twitter: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/04/10/share-of-u-...

In comparison, Fox news is used as a source by 40% of the US population: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/04/08/five-facts-...

The share is bigger for Facebook, though (69%)

Re:Who’s behind Wednesday’s epic Twitter hack? by heresie-dabord on Friday July 17, 2020 @10:02AM (#23870540)
This is a catastrophic failure in education and in US democracy.
Re:Who’s behind Wednesday’s epic Twitter hack? by blisseyGo on Thursday July 16, 2020 @10:04PM (#23866205)
I don't think this is new though. The same thing happens on the radio too - and radio can be hacked too.
Re:Who’s behind Wednesday’s epic Twitter hack? by phs318u on Thursday July 16, 2020 @08:07PM (#23865392)
But is that really new? Other than scale and reach (quantitative difference), how is that any different qualitatively from the old grapevine/gossip network? "My dad's co-worker's, girlfriend's uncle works at ... and said..."
Re:Who’s behind Wednesday’s epic Twitter hack? by mc32 on Thursday July 16, 2020 @08:43PM (#23865688)
That didn't get disseminated and diffused to tens of millions. If something was published they'd look for official sources or corroborating sources and or secondary evidence. If AP, EFE, UPI, Kyodo, Interfax etc all get their news from one source [Twitter] that's just laziness.
Re:Who’s behind Wednesday’s epic Twitter hack? by baddox on Thursday July 16, 2020 @11:08PM (#23866566)
“ A lie can travel halfway around the world before the truth can get its boots on” has been a cliche for a hundred years. I don’t think internet social networks are a difference in kind, but they probably are a difference in degree.
Re:Who’s behind Wednesday’s epic Twitter hack? by phs318u on Friday July 17, 2020 @12:46AM (#23867144)
Agreed but I said "apart from scale and reach". The point I was trying to make was that people have always found it fairly easy to believe non-credible sources. In this sense, social media is not qualitatively different. Only quantitatively different.
Re:Who’s behind Wednesday’s epic Twitter hack? by ergl on Friday July 17, 2020 @06:23AM (#23869069)
A large quantitative change is indistinguishable from a qualitative change: what's the difference between light rain and a flood, between some small waves and a tsunami?
Re:Who’s behind Wednesday’s epic Twitter hack? by phs318u on Saturday July 18, 2020 @02:56AM (#23879608)
What I meant, is that in the eyes/ears of those RECEIVING the information (and believing it uncritically), there's no difference. People have always had a predisposition to uncritically accepting information from those "in the tribe", whether that be extended family, or an internet echo chamber. Presumably this was a survival optimisation. Trust those "close", and distrust "others".
Re:Who’s behind Wednesday’s epic Twitter hack? by buzzerbetrayed on Thursday July 16, 2020 @08:16PM (#23865453)
“My dad's co-worker's, girlfriend's uncle works at ... and said...” doesn’t reach the whole world instantaneously
Re:Who’s behind Wednesday’s epic Twitter hack? by jacquesm on Thursday July 16, 2020 @09:23PM (#23865968)
It does now.
Re:Who’s behind Wednesday’s epic Twitter hack? by gameswithgo on Thursday July 16, 2020 @08:15PM (#23865447)
the scale and reach