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Re:Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered insid... by adenozine on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @12:22PM (#23847484)
Okay, to play devil's advocate for a moment.

What is there to gain financially from killing him, if his previous business was gutted by regulatory changes?

The killer was evidently belonging to a highly capable skillset, and I'm extrapolating that they very nearly got away with his body in tow, and nobody would've been the wiser.

Could they not have kidnapped him and ransomed the company? If there's financial qualms on the board, I just don't understand why they'd just kill him then. If they went to deliveries, does that mean other delivery couriers are to be scrutinized?

Maybe he was involved with something dirty?

If it was a state agent of Nigeria that is responsible, idk, that'd be geopolitical suicide, putting hits out on private entrepreneurs across national borders...

Of course, had they gotten away, it may have seemed as though he just vanished, which I suppose is the ideal scenario for a state-sanctioned killing.

Ugh. This is beyond horrible all the way around.

Re:Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered insid... by filleduchaos on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @12:49PM (#23847891)
Well, the idea is less financial gain and more punishment/retribution. You don't disappear/kill people in such a manner unless you want to send a message of some sort.

It's possible that he might have taken an investment from someone that does not take failure/underdelivery as an answer. Or that Gokada's continued existence pissed off someone that intended the company to go under. It could also possibly be much more personal than that - there are many people who are wealthy enough to order such a hit with relative impunity (as long as they remain in Nigeria - our justice system and infrastructure is frankly not the greatest). It could also have nothing to do with Nigeria at all; he had business ventures and personal affairs elsewhere.

It's all speculation at this point and I just hope whatever it is doesn't crush the company. Gokada employs a thousand riders but beyond that it's helped so many small businesses grow and thrive especially during this period; there's a huge informal vendor culture in Lagos that's enabled by companies like this.

Re:Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered insid... by ejanus on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @08:38PM (#23854353)
Please don't bad mouth Nigeria. This case is not yet fully understood and we can't make any conclusions yet.
Re:Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered insid... by filleduchaos on Thursday July 16, 2020 @01:28AM (#23856090)
My intention is not to bad mouth Nigeria - I did, quite literally, say that it's entirely speculation and that the case might very well have nothing whatsoever to do with the country (and even if it involves Gokada, the aggrieved party is not necessarily Nigerian).

Regarding infrastructure, my point is that it's far easier for someone to disappear from the eye of law enforcement here than in many other countries.

Re:Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered insid... by ejanus on Friday July 17, 2020 @01:51PM (#23873359)
Re:Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered insid... by ejanus on Thursday July 16, 2020 @03:04AM (#23856559)
Please check global number of missing people and kidnapping cases, use it to rightly place your country. That you have weak institutions don't mean that your country is world theater of crime.
Re:Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered insid... by swanland on Thursday July 16, 2020 @06:08PM (#23864371)
Those countries routinely underreport crimes.
Re:Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered insid... by ejanus on Friday July 17, 2020 @02:26AM (#23867717)
Sure of course.
Re:Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered insid... by fragmede on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @12:31PM (#23847597)
> if his previous business was gutted by regulatory changes?

There are some people you just don't want to owe money to. I'm not speculating on if that was the case here, just that in the US, that sort of thing is the realm of movies. Elsewhere in the world (and also parts of the US) that still the reality of borrowing large sums of money.

Re:Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered insid... by ganoushoreilly on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @03:19PM (#23850284)
Given the local environment they operate in I wonder if someone was on the take for them to operate originally. Maybe the regulation changes cause Gokada to not want to pay but that wasn't copacetic with the demands of the "shaker"?

As you pointed out, business in these countries isn't clean and clear as it is in most countries HN'ers live in.

I saw crazy shakedowns in Northern Africa when I briefly lived there. I wouldn't doubt the same to be seen in other countries.

Re:Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered insid... by marcinzm on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @12:51PM (#23847906)
>that'd be geopolitical suicide

Saudi Arabia seems to be doing fine last I checked.

Re:Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered insid... by dkroy on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @01:12PM (#23848225)
One interesting fact linked to this country is that he was born in Saudi Arabia as well.

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/nyregion/dismembered-body...

Re:Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered insid... by alien_ on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @01:27PM (#23848452)
Operating mode sounds much like it happened with Jamal Khashoggi, could he be another victim of MBS or some other Saudi prince?
Re:Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered insid... by grugagag on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @02:10PM (#23849218)
Why would that be the case? Khashogi was clearly speaking up and was wanted killed, even he knew it
Re:Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered insid... by sushshshsh on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @02:52PM (#23849898)
Money and/or power tend to be the causes for these things, unless it's personal.
Re:Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered insid... by yardie on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @01:33PM (#23848574)
Saudi Arabia carried out an extrajudicial killing in a small, neighboring state. This was carried out in the US. And for all intents and purposes could be considered an act of war against a state that has an unlimited war chest.
Re:Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered insid... by zyngaro on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @03:47PM (#23850651)
Turkey isn’t small in any way. It’s a regional powerhouse.
Re:Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered insid... by giancarlostoro on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @08:03PM (#23854051)
Not to mention and I guess a lot of people dont know this but Turkey was one of the main allies of the USA not too long ago for quite a while at that. It was quite a strategic alliance too. Just look at Turkeys neighboring countries sometime.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey%E2%80%93United_States...

Re:Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered insid... by ithinkso on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @01:50PM (#23848900)
Turkey has the second largest military in NATO (after US) and by quite a margin
Re:Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered insid... by codebolt on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @02:18PM (#23849347)
Turkey leadership may well be sympathetic to the Saudis to some extent. Freedom of press doesn't exactly seem like their biggest concern, and they have an authoritarian Muslim ruler.
Re:Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered insid... by johnyzee on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @04:18PM (#23851109)
They 'may be', but they're not. They are on opposing sides of a huge regional political divide, and pretty much in cold war against eachother.
Re:Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered insid... by toyg on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @08:13PM (#23854129)
I would argue that in the ME everyone is and is not in cold war with everyone else, at any given time. Erdogan and the Saudis, for example, both helped ISIS... until they didn't.

There isn't a fundamental ideological divide, everyone is just jockeying for a few more square-meters of this or that.

Re:Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered insid... by puranjay on Thursday July 16, 2020 @03:05AM (#23856565)
The jockeying isn't for some square meter of land. It's for influence over the muslim world.
Re:Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered insid... by toyg on Thursday July 16, 2020 @04:15AM (#23856901)
It was a figure of speech. Influence is what gives you control, of course.
Re:Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered insid... by ithinkso on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @03:24PM (#23850352)
They might be, no doubt. I was mainly objecting (unrelated to the article) to the 'smallness' of the neighboring state and to the fact that if something could be considered an act of war doesn't mean it will be one. Bottomless oil well is a good counter to an unlimited war chest.
Re:Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered insid... by objektif on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @05:27PM (#23852132)
Turkey is totally not friends with Saudi Arabia right now.
Re:Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered insid... by sharken on Thursday July 16, 2020 @03:27AM (#23856674)
Turkey has gone downhill in the last five years due to the actions of Turkish leadership. I no longer see them returning to the path of democracy sadly. The Trump administration are saints in comparison.
Re:Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered insid... by toyg on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @04:03PM (#23850909)
A superpower doesn't go to war over an isolated assassination of (with all due respect to the victim and his family) some random rich kid. Casus belli is invoked only where there was a pre-existing ambition. I don't think the US have any ambition to take over Saudi Arabia, when they couldn't even run Iraq.
Re:Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered insid... by jacquesm on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @05:52PM (#23852536)
You don't need to go to war. But you certainly also don't need to defend them. See how the UK responded to the Skripal case or Litivenko.
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Re:Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered insid... by godzulu on Friday July 17, 2020 @12:56AM (#23867194)
If only the President had Susan Rice on his team, they could claim a video caused it.
Re:Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered insid... by baybal2 on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @06:00PM (#23852652)
> small, neighboring state

That "small, neighboring state" is a №2 state in NATO

Re:Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered insid... by 131012 on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @01:08PM (#23848169)
That was my thought: Us foreign policy is such a mess that its territory is now open to international hitmen.
Re:Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered insid... by daenz on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @01:09PM (#23848174)
I look at one possibility as he raised/borrowed money from the wrong people and then when things went pear shaped, he couldn't get them their promised profit, got chopped up to set an example.
Re:Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered insid... by iso947 on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @01:44PM (#23848786)
Either that or sex
Re:Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered insid... by grugagag on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @02:11PM (#23849254)
He was followed by a man he did not invite to his apartment, doesn’t look like he knew his killer
Re:Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered insid... by withinboredom on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @05:14PM (#23851927)
I think they meant sex with the wrong person, not the killer.
Re:Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered insid... by iso947 on Saturday July 18, 2020 @03:34AM (#23879746)
Jilted lover etc
Re:Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered insid... by komali2 on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @01:16PM (#23848275)
> What is there to gain financially from killing him, if his previous business was gutted by regulatory changes?

Devil's devil's advocate - the motivation for the killing doesn't need to be "rational" or make sense from our perspective. It could be pathological, it could be revenge, who knows?

Re:Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered insid... by freyr on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @11:13PM (#23855341)
> nobody would've been the wiser.

Except they would have footage of two people going into the apartment (one person apparently wearing a ninja outfit), and only one person leaving.

That could have been a tipoff that something was askew.

Re:Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered insid... by interestica on Thursday July 16, 2020 @02:30AM (#23856394)
Are you inferring "ninja outfit" from the article description? Because it vaguely mentions a black suit and face mask. And I'm not entirely sure "face mask" doesn't just mean a now-standard-in-a-pandemic mask type.
Re:Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered insid... by jariel on Thursday July 16, 2020 @12:32AM (#23855788)
In some parts of the world, for some people, it was enough to want to kill him to actually do it. And in such a brutal way.

It doesn't have to be that complicated.

"The killer was evidently belonging to a highly capable skillset," - no, it's not skill, it's just the diabolical will to actually do such a thing. Depending on circumstances, there can be a lack of evidence ... and that's that.

Re:Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered insid... by monadic2 on Thursday July 16, 2020 @03:27AM (#23856676)
> What is there to gain financially from killing him, if his previous business was gutted by regulatory changes?

It may be as simple as being the member of the board another member is displeased with. Not suggesting that, just saying sometimes your very existence is a liability to others.

> If it was a state agent of Nigeria that is responsible, idk, that'd be geopolitical suicide, putting hits out on private entrepreneurs across national borders

When in Rome....

Re:Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered insid... by cyberlurker on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @04:55PM (#23851653)
First thing that comes to mind: What was the financial or other motivation behind Mohammed bin Salman killing Khashoggi?

It's a power move. Putin does it too.

Re:Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered insid... by jacquesm on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @05:54PM (#23852558)
The degree to which the American president praises the dictators of this world makes you wonder if he wishes he could do it too.
Re:Co-founder of Gokada found decapitated, dismembered insid... by stjohnswarts on Thursday July 16, 2020 @12:20AM (#23855728)
I think he might if he thought he could get himself out of it someway. Look at how callous the administration has been about allowing covid to go wild without even blinking until lately. Tens of thousands of people dead for no reason, soon to be hundreds of thousands. It's a nightmare.