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Re:Do not remain nameless to yourself (1966) by tropdrop on Sunday July 12, 2020 @02:41AM (#23809371)
Too few engineers eschew ego - this is Feynman's point.

Most people are not Feynman. Most engineers today think they have the capability of being Feynman one day - of course, statistics dictates that most will not be.

This is why Feynman's advice is powerful -

The worthwhile problems are the ones you can really solve or help solve, the ones you can really contribute something to.

Feynman here is instructing someone with too much ego, not too little. Koichi Mano thinks the problems he's working on are beneath him - that he should already be working on Feynman level problems! This is why he writes with shame to Feynman about his "humble" problem. Feynman demonstrates to him that no, no problem is too small, and backs it up with how he chipped away at "lesser" problems for a long time to build up confidence and competence. Finally, he closes with advice that could be ported to a middle manager at the smallest bureaucratic company who thinks they don't do anything important -

You say you are a nameless man. You are not to your wife and to your child. You will not long remain so to your immediate colleagues if you can answer their simple questions when they come into your office.

If you do not have too lofty of an opinion of yourself (less ego, not more), then you will not be ashamed of the problems you succeed in, and only then might you have the chance to do something important.

Re:Do not remain nameless to yourself (1966) by LordHumungous on Sunday July 12, 2020 @10:50AM (#23811766)
I had a physics professor who liked to point out that Feynman (who we all idolized as college students studying physics) used to solve hundreds and hundreds of classical mechanics problems for fun, in his spare time. These were the same homework problems that we hated doing and always complained about.

The professor's point was, being great at something isn't just a matter of having a big powerful brain, it's also a result of putting in the work, and that work is not glamorous. A lot of people want to go straight to the big, fun, "important" problems, the big job titles and pay checks, while skipping all the toil that gets you to that level.

Re:Do not remain nameless to yourself (1966) by a1369209993 on Sunday July 12, 2020 @04:44PM (#23814592)
> used to solve hundreds and hundreds of classical mechanics problems for fun, in his spare time. [emphasis added]

You kind of missed your own (or possibly your professor's) point there: being great at something is a matter (in part) not just of putting in the work, but of having the inclination and motivation to put in so much work. If you think of it as "all the toil that gets you to that level", you're not the kind of person who is going to become great in that field.

Re:Do not remain nameless to yourself (1966) by analog31 on Sunday July 12, 2020 @06:35PM (#23815342)
Indeed, I think it creates an odd inversion over the course of the educational process. The people who started with great work ethic and the motivation of a remunerative career, but little actual interest in the content, did great in high school but eventually gave up and switched majors.

The people with variable work ethic, but who could be motivated by the subject matter itself, mastered the subject and ended up with the remunerative careers "by accident."

Re:Do not remain nameless to yourself (1966) by eldavido on Sunday July 12, 2020 @05:17PM (#23814838)
A lesson I learned too late.

You have to be willing to do the work, yes, but also figure out what you really, really like doing, and then do it -- a lot. Over, and over, and over, for years or even decades.

Re:Do not remain nameless to yourself (1966) by dhruvparamhans on Thursday July 16, 2020 @06:22AM (#23857518)
A lot of times its simply difficult to find what one really likes doing. But I agree that ones who do end up "succeeding" really follow the template you propose here.

That being said, running after high remuneration in and of itself isn't bad. Sometimes its just what you have to do because a lot of other people depend on it.

Re:Do not remain nameless to yourself (1966) by LordHumungous on Sunday July 19, 2020 @01:25AM (#23887214)
Sure, I guess that's one way to look at it.
Re:Do not remain nameless to yourself (1966) by ChrisMarshallNY on Sunday July 12, 2020 @08:27AM (#23810829)
Problems can be quite humbling.

Taking on big stuff isn't necessarily a "big ego" thing, but getting upset that we didn't solve the problem might be.

In my experience, big problems get solved by teams. It's important to be a good team member, even if we are "close to the gods." From what I understand, Feynman seemed to work well in teams, but I never worked with him, so I don't know.

False humility isn't helpful either.

I have worked with, and known, many truly brilliant folks. Some were unbearable, and getting on their team meant you drew the short straw.

Others were so self-effacing that it was actually embarrassing. It was difficult to be on a team with them, as we often accidentally treated them disrespectfully, or ignored their input.

I think it was Mandela that said: "You are a child of God. Your playing small doesn't serve the world. There's nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you."

Re:Do not remain nameless to yourself (1966) by dorkwood on Sunday July 12, 2020 @03:02PM (#23813820)
> Your playing small doesn't serve the world. There's nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you.

Is this really true? I've always felt that people are more likely to open up and be themselves if I demonstrate that I'm a bit unsure of myself, too.

Don't get me wrong, I _hate_ when someone presents their work by saying "here's my poor attempt at X, it isn't very good" (which is especially enraging if their work is, in fact, good). But helping to bring more quiet members of the team out of their shell by sharing a bit of my own humanity, a bit of my own weakness? That seems like it does serve the world to me.

Re:Do not remain nameless to yourself (1966) by munchbunny on Monday July 13, 2020 @10:48AM (#23821327)
Is this really true? I've always felt that people are more likely to open up and be themselves if I demonstrate that I'm a bit unsure of myself, too.

I think the key is that you shouldn't need to shrink. You can be competent and still have weaknesses that you openly acknowledge. And you can play with how you present those weaknesses, but that shouldn't require you to think less of yourself or to present yourself as less than what you are capable of.

Re:Do not remain nameless to yourself (1966) by dorkwood on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @01:58AM (#23828992)
I think my interpretation was a little bit different on the first read. But looking back at the original quote, it does say "playing small" -- as in, pretending to be smaller than you are. I agree with you that that shouldn't be necessary.
Re:Do not remain nameless to yourself (1966) by ChrisMarshallNY on Sunday July 12, 2020 @07:56PM (#23815768)
I like your mindset. I think that we forget that we're all humans on this voyage.

Like I said, I have seen both extremes. I feel it's best when we are confident, but not cocksure.

There's always someone better. No matter how good I get, there's probably some kid in a Hanoi Internet café that can totally smoke my best.

But I won't hold back from doing my best, anyway.

Re:Do not remain nameless to yourself (1966) by beckingz on Sunday July 12, 2020 @10:31AM (#23811580)
That is a powerful quote.

Apparently the author (Marianne Williamson, not Mandela) was flabbergasted and honored that her words were being attributed to Mandela. [0]

0 https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/our-deepest-fear/

Re:Do not remain nameless to yourself (1966) by ChrisMarshallNY on Sunday July 12, 2020 @10:34AM (#23811611)
Ah. Thanks for the correction. I will note that.

Yeah, that's why I said "I think."

LOTS of misattributed quotes out there.

My fave is "Don't believe everything you read on the Internet." -Abraham Lincoln.

UPDATED TO ADD:

I preface my Medium posts[0] with quotes, and those, I tend to research a bit more exhaustively. One of my entries[1] is prefaced by the quote "A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for."

The quote is by John A. Shedd[2], but is often attributed to Grace Hopper, who used it one of her speeches.

[0] https://medium.com/chrismarshallny

[1] https://medium.com/chrismarshallny/thats-not-what-ships-are-...

[2] https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_Augustus_Shedd

Re:Do not remain nameless to yourself (1966) by essayist on Monday July 13, 2020 @02:15PM (#23823782)
My mother's favorite actor, singing a song whose German lyrics include "a ship isn't designed just to lie in the harbor; it needs to sail out to the open sea", and other more scandalous metaphors.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqzX-uZUtI4

Re:Do not remain nameless to yourself (1966) by ChrisMarshallNY on Monday July 13, 2020 @02:57PM (#23824275)
Boy, he had great teeth!
Re:Do not remain nameless to yourself (1966) by BolexNOLA on Sunday July 12, 2020 @09:15AM (#23811084)
It kind of reminds me of how many people remember some particular middle school or high school teacher who had a big impact on them. It’s not like they literally saved their lives, but the way they taught and the lessons learned just stuck with folks.
Re:Do not remain nameless to yourself (1966) by amelius on Sunday July 12, 2020 @05:29AM (#23810120)
> Most people are not Feynman. Most engineers today think they have the capability of being Feynman one day - of course, statistics dictates that most will not be.

But Feynman, at least in his written works, was more a reverse engineer than an actual engineer.

Re:Do not remain nameless to yourself (1966) by fsloth on Sunday July 12, 2020 @07:23AM (#23810557)
Feynman had a key role in engineering the computations of Manhattan Project. I have no idea what could be more like engineering than this. "With Stanley Frankel and Nicholas Metropolis, he assisted in establishing a system for using IBM punched cards for computation."

But, on the other hand, physics could be described as a way to reverse engineer nature.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Feynman#Manhattan_Proj...