Not to mention it is slow as molasses(on the cloud at-least) and the UI is unwieldy with way too many clicks required for the simplest of actions.

I am sorely tempted to build a frontend so that I can avoid wasting so much time on it. Just a better frontend not yet another project management tool that will not be bought by management.

I don't understand the slowness at all, even if their backend and architecture is Fubar to fix at this point without massive work, they could have handled it in UX with non blocking loading states, backgrounding actions which were slow etc?

Ran across https://getbodo.com a while back. Dev is a really nice guy and cares about improvements. I think it has a long way to go, but what software doesn't.

I would pay good money for a Jira CLI, preferably with an ncurses UI to make it easy to navigate.

(Edit: also, every program for managing Bluetooth devices ever made.)

There is go jira cli https://github.com/go-jira/jira not sure how good it is

JIRA is heavyweight, but I've never been remotely satisfied with any of the competitors. If your team is more than 5 people or you have multiple teams, you're absolute going to need all that sophistication from JIRA. If you ask me what's the worst piece of software I use every day today, it's Asana.

This just isn't true. We have a bunch of teams, all on Jira, and none of the inter-team coordination happens via Jira, mostly because One Size Fits Nobody. We're not using much that's Jira-specific for the intra-team stuff either.

> If your team is more than 5 people or you have multiple teams, you're absolute going to need all that sophistication from JIRA.

Can you give more detail? I've been on larger, successful teams without JIRA, and every time JIRA was introduced it was a net-negative for real productivity.

ClickUp

Slower than Jira in my experience.

Not sure why people do not use Redmine more. Its totally awesome, free, cross platform, stable as much as software can be, can run hundreeds of projects, thousands of users without a glitch, and OTB is trivial to use. With plugins it can be anything you want.

I use JIRA for personal projects and at work. It's coming to the point where JIRA is so slow that I'm willing to invest the time to migrate my personal projects over to something else. If I simply want to add a label to a ticket it can take an unreasonable amount of time. It's mind blowing when I'm paying a decent amount for seats.

I can't even vaguely imagine wanting to use JIRA for personal projects. Doesn't it need a license?

Jira and Graylog compete for the top spot in the list of software with search functionality I’m too dumb to use properly.

Yeah, you need to master JQL to be able to find anything. Once you do that however (and once it's configured properly) Jira is actually quite enjoyable to use. I had a couple of episodes with other issue trackers and I always missed Jira.

And since we are complaining about search feature I must mention Confluence. Like I've said you can query Jira with JQL but in Confluence you're out of luck.

Yeah, JQL is the key, and they do a good job with suggestions and completions in the query editor. One of the few parts of the Jira UI that I actually think works pretty well.

Don’t get me started on editing workflows...

The main problem with Jira is inexperienced admins deciding they have to use all the bells and whistles all the time.

Replace your IT team before you replace Jira.

My Jira experience is that I couldn’t live without it.

It amuses me that the applications meant to promote agile work practices are presumably written in an agile environment, are almost universally shite.

It is really, really hard to do better than a whiteboard with some cards on it.

Unless you need any sort of traceability, discussion with other stakeholders, support for remote employees or resiliency against a gust of wind.

Yeah, it breaks if you've got bugs in your org.

So... Trello.

No wonder Atlassian bought it.

Agree. Way too slow and too many clicks. Ajax loading is so annoying when its slow.

And they don’t seem to prefetch anything. Why aren’t they loading my labels, team members etc in the background as soon as the main data has loaded, so they’re ready to go when I want to edit a field?

I'm not sure it is worthy of the rewrite requirement, however. It doesn't seem to offer any functionality that is actually useful, save giving some people jobs pushing boxes around.

Jira was a complete nightmare at my last position. I am still convinced it was the PM's poor implementation so they would have the box pushing job. Everything was customized and it took me weeks to learn the workflow.

My vote would be for ServiceNow, which makes even the most complex Jira install look simple and user friendly. But it having used Jira since not long after it came out in 2002 it’s really depressing how bloated it’s become - the first versions were really great and far from what it has evolved into.

And there is the on prem and cloud versions. And they are not feature matched.

One of these days I want to look into setting up Phabricator.

I moved my small team to phabricator after a couple years of using GitHub and Asana. We all loved phabricator from previous companies.

Not only was it really easy to set up, but I think we all enjoy our tools a lot more now too. I still contend that phabricator rules the code review world: nothing else is as good. The projects feature feels just as good as Asana but without the slowness.

We do still use GitHub just as a dumb master (phabricator imports from it), but I’ll likely invert that soon enough to use GitHub as a mirror.

Interesting, as I have the inverse experience with Phabricator (and the related tools in that ecosystem like arcanist). I don't like it, and nobody else seems to like it.

What don't you like about it?

> And there is the on prem and cloud versions. And they are not feature matched.

This is my daily nightmare. We’re building a competitor to Jira [0] so naturally we want to allow people to import their issues from Jira into our tool. Integrating to Jira cloud is a reasonably good experience. But Jira server? Total chaos. We needed to dig up an ancient OAuth1 implemention just to get users authenticated and it didn’t get any better from there.

0: https://kitemaker.co