Re:Blog Anonymously
by CathedralBorrow on Friday July 10, 2020 @02:35PM
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If I inform a corporation that I will not do business with them while a person is in their employment, am I oppressing that person or am I using my freedom of speech?
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Re:Blog Anonymously
by throwaway894345 on Friday July 10, 2020 @02:51PM
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If I say "it would be unfortunate if something happened to your job", am I issuing a veiled threat or am I using my freedom of speech? It's possible that I'm not making a threat, but we know it's unlikely. Technically it amounts to intent (do you intend to ruin someone's livelihood or are you just making a bizarre statement for indecipherable reasons?).
Re:Blog Anonymously
by CathedralBorrow on Friday July 10, 2020 @04:13PM
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I agree with everything you said. Can you comment on my question though?
Re:Blog Anonymously
by throwaway894345 on Friday July 10, 2020 @04:20PM
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I did. I said it technically depends on intent; however, in practice it's implausible that you weren't issuing a threat, and threats don't constitute free speech.
Re:Blog Anonymously
by CathedralBorrow on Friday July 10, 2020 @04:25PM
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Ok I'm confused so can you please help me? My example was absolutely a "threat" in the sense that yes, I in that example would be serious about voicing my opinion and my intention to not voluntarily do business with that imaginary corporation while they employed that person. I would be "threatening" to do something which is entirely my freedom to do; to vote with my wallet.
But if I understand you correctly, this would be going outside my freedom of speech. Which implies that I do not have the choice to not do business with them. As in, I am obligated to purchase goods and services from them.
I am clearly misunderstanding this because that can't be right. Where did I go off track?
Re:Blog Anonymously
by throwaway894345 on Friday July 10, 2020 @04:32PM
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Of course you have the choice of whether or not to do business with them. Nevertheless, threats are not free speech.
Re:Blog Anonymously
by CathedralBorrow on Friday July 10, 2020 @04:35PM
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I'm still confused. I am completely free to choose whether or not to do business with them, but I am not allowed to tell them about my choice? Or am I not allowed to speak about it at all, regardless of who listens?
Re:Blog Anonymously
by throwaway894345 on Friday July 10, 2020 @04:53PM
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Issuing threats is not free speech. You're still free to choose with whom you do business. Terribly sorry, but I don't know how to make it simpler than that. Good luck in your pursuits.
Ah yes, and of course whether or not something is a threat depends on intent. And who could be a better judge of intent than ... throwaway894345. Who I'm sure has an incredibly nuanced way of determining intent that doesn't boil down to "SJWs have bad intent".
Re:Blog Anonymously
by giancarlostoro on Friday July 10, 2020 @02:58PM
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You're extorting a company, let's even call it quid pro quo.
This would be hard to legally call extortion, since consumers are free to do business with who they please, and there is a strong history of boycott activity. Also if it were illegal, then many negotiating tactics become extortion. Is threatening to leave a company unless you get a raise now illegal extortion? Is demanding a lower cable bill or else you'll go to a competitor now illegal extortion?
I would consider these more ultimatums than extortion. Also extortion always includes quid pro quo, but not all quid pro quo is illegal. Context matters.
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Re:Blog Anonymously
by throwaway894345 on Friday July 10, 2020 @04:25PM
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That freedom, like many others, is limited. You may also be dismayed to find that you aren't free to tell someone that you will do business with her on the condition that she sleeps with you. This is quid pro quo harassment.
Re:Blog Anonymously
by CathedralBorrow on Friday July 10, 2020 @04:30PM
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I'm not dismayed at all, and would appreciate it if you could refrain from painting pictures of what you think my state of mind might be. Thanks.
Are you saying that I am breaking the law by telling a company that I will not do business with them as long as they employ some person? Just to head off future misunderstandings on my part I'd like to get this clear first.
Re:Blog Anonymously
by throwaway894345 on Friday July 10, 2020 @04:56PM
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It was a hypothetical. I wasn't speaking about you specifically. Anyway, I've explained in another thread as simply as I'm able. Good luck on your educational endeavors.
Re:Blog Anonymously
by paulryanrogers on Friday July 10, 2020 @03:14PM
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So a boycott?
Re:Blog Anonymously
by CathedralBorrow on Friday July 10, 2020 @04:12PM
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Sure, is my choice to boycott a company also an act of oppression?